hello
I would like to know realistically approximately how many clearings it will take to get a spot completely done.
Lets take the chest as an example, say the entire chest was cleared in a one day electrolysis session, approximately how more clearings to expect?
I understand that it will vary from person to person but just as a general thing.
Thanks
These are the factors on which it depends:
The individual is male or female?
Age of the individual?
Time and type of system used since the last temporary hair removal (if any)?
What kind of strategy is being used?
Practitioner’s kill rate?
Now an example of the best possible scenario.
If for example it is a woman, 25 years, who has one year without touching the area (or the area was never touched), the strategy is clear & wait with an interval between the clearances of 3 or 4 months, and the practitioner has a kill rate of over 85%. 2 clearings are sufficient to kill 99% of the hairs.
If, for example, it is a man with 25 years, who has one year without touching the area (or the area was never touched),the strategy is clear & wait with an interval between the clearances of 3 or 4 months, and the practitioner has a kill rate of over 85%. 3 clearings are sufficient to kill 99% of the hairs.
What if the client has waxed/plucked? How long should it be left for to do a full clearing? Also is it ok to ask an Electrologist their ‘kill rate’? Or would they not know if they don’t do full clearings like the ones you are describing?
I think it doesn’t seem to be the norm in the UK from what I’m finding phoning about. They seem to do an hours worth at a time which is a shame because I love the idea of getting it all done and dusted in 3 stages.
If you have removed the hair previously, then the minimum time to leave it alone would be three months. It’s not essential but the client must understand that if you start treatment shortly after stopping removal (say, a few weeks), during the first three months of treatment, you will have hairs growing out every week that your electrologist is seeing for the first time.
The clearance method is almost unheard of in the UK and the reasons are many. The main one I would say though is safety. Given the equipment used and working practices that are normal here, it would be risky for the skin of the client to carry out this kind of treatment.
If you can find an electrologist who is effective in killing follicles using the method I describe in the other thread, you know you will get results even if you have to reach clearance over a period of weeks.
Here’s an example of a first clearance in man’s chest. This was not done in one day, but in two days. Specifically, in July 2013.
BEFORE:
2 DAYS AFTER:
“The clearance method is almost unheard of in the UK and the reasons are many. The main one I would say though is safety. Given the equipment used and working practices that are normal here, it would be risky for the skin of the client to carry out this kind of treatment.”
Well, no not really. Folks summarily dismiss practices they are not familiar with by saying that the practice is “not safe.” It’s only that the person does not know how to do it.
(People that don’t do laser dismiss it as unsafe or ineffective. People that don’t do electrolysis dismiss it as unsafe or ineffective.)
It’s like this. People may think that flying an airplane is unsafe. But it’s not unsafe for an experienced pilot. Doing the “clear & wait” for nearly 40 years I don’t see your point. I mean I REALLY don’t see your point!
I’m not being argumentative, but you did make the above statement. So, what specifically is “unsafe for the patient’s skin?” (I’ll be showing photos of my client from Winchester UK in a couple weeks … coming back for clearance #3.)
You also said: “Unfortunately, if an electrologist is saying it can’t be done, they are probably right but also talking about themselves personally.” Now THAT I agree with!
That’s my point Michael - they do not know how to do this work safely.
Apologies for my clumsy wording.
You must know by now that I back clearance method wholeheartedly having had most of my own treatment carried out this way by Jossie. But the fact remains that the majority of electrologists in the UK are not equipped (in terms of knowledge and experience, if nothing else) to carry out this kind of work. It would therefore be potentially unsafe to attempt it with such a person. I’m really talking about the face here, not body.
Okay … I see and understand. But thanks anyway for getting my last TWO remaining hormones “up and awake this morning!” ha ha ha (I have named them: John and Ralph … and they’re all that’s left.)
During my many trips to Europe teaching electrolysis (17 trips total), I found England “impossible.” All the surrounding countries were extremely open about anything I had to offer; but ZERO interest in England. I mean, zero to the point of “irate dismissal.”
I did a lecture at the Tao Clinic and they instantly dismissed everything I said, because I was “using a footswitch.” At the time, their hand-piece had a switch and the folks in charge said: “The operators can’t ‘do that’ here in England!” They would not listen to anything and nearly threw me out the door.
It was always frustrating and I could not fathom the attitude. Even struggling in Germany with non-English speakers, I had WAY more interest … even with companies that made competing technologies (and they eventually got with the program).
Maybe it’s cultural? Maybe they think: “Here’s another American telling us what to do … ‘bloody sods’?”
I would like someone in the UK to at least take a real look at what Jossie and I are doing … it does seem a bit odd to have clients from the UK coming over to California!
DAMN that “follizap” he was supposed to … oh well!
This guy got his first clearance (and only) in the stomach and belly over 2 years ago (September 2011). Since then, he has only been trimming hair. Before starting with his chest, we dedicated a day to make a second clearance in the stomach and abdomen. My client wanted to follow Michael’s advice about a natural pattern for the area below the navel in man. So this is the result of that first clearing:
BEFORE (September 2011)
Just after:
2 YEARS AFTER (Before second clearing)
2 DAYS AFTER:
As Michael has said on many occasions, the second clearance requires half or less of the time that was used in the first, and the third is like a bicycle ride down a street downhill. 
This is an amazing work !
Maiakochka, in these photos you can not appreciate how great are the arms. But you can get an idea in these others.
BEFORE (November 2010)
After 3 clearances, and before zap few hairs here and there (July 2013):
Ole !
wow, amazing pictures! looks like its so worth getting it done.
btw, does anyone know if it is safe to put aloe vera on the skin after sessions?
It is terribly, wonderfully, incredibliy safe! Yes!
You can also use soap and water and do nothing else.
You can use something like Aquaphor , but it can feel greasy.
I dream about my future hairless body, like that 
Thanks for the info 
