Rapid blend with Apilus Junior.

Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
#1

I was working on myself this morning with my Apilus Junior using pulsing blend. I wanted to try short duration and higher intensity and liked the results. Every hair I did slid out nicely with the bulb intact. I am just curious what the more experienced folks would say about my settings. Am I actually getting the effect of the blend or is the thermolysis pulse what is doing most of the work?

I am using Ballet Stainless Needles and I begin the sequence with Galvanic.

3 seconds duration

.50 Seconds Blend
45% Galvanic
6 pulses of Thermolysis.

There was no skin reaction besides some redness.

#2

Those look more like omni-blend settings than pulsed or multiplex settings. Are you sure you were in the right modulation? Generally on my SM-500 I will see what you are looking at for omniblend, but for multiplex I see # of pulses etc. I’ve attached a pic of what multiplex looks like on my SM-500 for comparisonIt could just be a different way of programming but I attached an example of what I see from a chin preset. I guess what confuses me in your settings is I dont know the number of pulses on HF.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66437553/IMG436.jpg

I keep asking for settings for comparison, and aside from getting a really large range, some of what people are using for fast blend or thermolysis just isnt available on your machine, or mine. Also people are very hesitant to discuss their settings. The apilus platinum has a setting called “pico-flash” which isnt available on either the junior, or the SM-500 and at least 2 people have told me they use this. As the platinum is a 27 mhz machine and not a 13.5 like ours, the settings would be calibrated differently and have a different sensation anyway from anything you or I could achieve.

The few people doing true fast-blend, are people Like Michael and Josepha. On the one occasion I got Michael to talk about intensities, he was using thermolysis intensities nearing the maximum of his hinkel machine, and galvanic intensities reaching 1.5 MA, nearly three times what either yourself or I use and a full 0.5 MA above the maximum that your Junior or my SM-500 could achieve. I have to be honest, I’m a little scared to crank my machine up that high even on a test spot on an arm.

I’d say if you are getting smooth removals, you are on the right track. May I ask what kind of hair you are working on with these settings? Female, male, thickness? With the setting s from the picture is very typical of what I use on chin for example, but at that still require at least 2 cycles at 10 seconds to completely treat a male beard hair. Not exactly “fast blend” . Pushing the intensity higher on thermolysis side ( which seems to be the method used by fast blenders) with out any kind of guideline as to what the heck I am doing is a bit scary at best.

Seana

#3

Seana,

this is indeed pulsed blend.

@imtastingstars:

I would take the pulses shorter or reduce their number in order to fit their time into the interval with galvanic plus a short recovery time.

You can even go to 1 sec of galvanic and .99 mA. Most clients can deal with that current over such a short time - but ALWAYS do a tolerance test previously. Then You can use 3-5 RF pulses of 0.3-0.16 secs. Be prepared to interrupt the pulse when the hair is done! I did a lot of work in that modality until i bought the Pure.
Michael Bono and Jossie have published similar approaches in the past.

(If You decide to give it a try, do an intermediate step over a galvanic time of 2 secs in order to get used to progressive epilation within such fast timings…)

#4

Beate,

What intensity should RF pulse of 0.3 -0.16 pulses be for say fine to medium terminal chin hairs? For courser 60-80 unit beard hairs? What special considerations for the insertion or are you inserting to the base of the root as per normal?

Edit: I’m confused at whether what you are inferring with these numbers is 30 % intensity for 0.16 seconds, or if you mean to stretch the pulses from between 0.16 and 0.3 seconds. The thermolysis setting seems a little low for fast blend?

If I understand this correctly you are limiting the galvanic to 0.99MA for 1 second, then following up with several short RF pulses but over what period of time, 2 seconds? 3 seconds? should the 4-5 rf pulses be delivered. This before I figure out how to program the custom routine into my machine.

Seana

#5

Seana, please note that i did not say anything about thermolysis intensities, just about pulse lengths which in summ should be shorter that the galvanic time (the Junior is smart enough to extend the signal if that’s not the case.

As usual, the thermolysis intensity must always be determined bottom up according to the hair. This is a very situation specific setting, and it is easy to determine - so actual parameters wil not help. BTW: the UL approach wil fail for these settings: the contribution of galvanic is fairly small - it might actually be compensated by a roughly 10 % larger setting of RF (i.e. an increase of the EL value by about 20% because the latter is quadratic in the intensity).

#6

Ok so I’m stepping into unfamiliar ground . While I’ve modified intensities from the presets that I’ve used as a baseline, they are heavily galvanic in nature and I’ve not felt comfortable modifying the thermolysis intensities by great amounts. That said The epilation time is really too long. But before I go shoving a probe into my face and zapping at high thermolysis ratings I WOULD like some feedback on what I’m attempting before I do so.

Today I am working primarily on the chin and cheeks. Tommorrow I’ll do some upper lip. Most of the hairs are early anogen 30-35 unit hairs.
If you look at the preset function I posted earlier it has a 9 second epilation time at 0.58 MA galvanic and 4 pulses of HF at 9% intensity
so:
9 seconds DC at 0.58
4 pulses of 0.70 seconds at 9% HF

At that, I am having to do 2 cycles for a total treatment time of 18 seconds.

What I am considering is modifying these settings as follows:
0.70 MA galvanic for 3 seconds.
4 pulses of HF of 0.30 seconds duration at an intensity of 35%

Do these number seem reasonable? A good baseline point to start increasing HF intensities from? Likely to cause issues?Too low on the HF contribution? I’m really not wanting to leave any smoking holes in my chin but reducing the time factor spent in each follicle and increasing efficiency is my goal. My tolerance is pretty high especially where High frequency treatments are concerned.

Edit: Well lIt’s likely I will have instituted and tried these settings before anyone gets around to replying. Apparently today is experimentation day . We will see if I run screaming from it or not or if the hairs even want to release with that amount. Wish me luck.
Further Edit: I may have been overgenerous with the hair diameter. I did alot on my chin already this morning. I did try these settings. My observations are, it is a more intense sensation but is over fairly quickly. On two of the maybe ten I epilated I noticed a small whitening of the area ( possible RF short? I was using gold f3 ballet probes). Hairs come out with little effort, not always with a sheath. Definitely not a pluck but it’s possible I need to reduce RF a tiny bit or it’s duration.I think the sheaths that didnt come out are probably obliterated by the RF. I’d noticing more sensory reaction to the treatment . I’m not seeing ANY lye.I’m going to try dropping the RF duration to 0.20 seconds and see what that does.I may also swap out to an insulted probe for this. Epilation time is defintely AROUND where I want it but I’m going to do some more experimentation with the RF intensity and duration. I’d still love to hear thoughts on this from some of the pro’s. I’m carefully monitoring skin reaction.

Seana

#7

So after a bit of experimentation I think I was pretty close to what I needed on intensity and timing.
I did try reducing to first 0.20 then 0.25 seconds before settling back on 0.30 seconds for duration on the 4 pulses. I left the intensity alone. I think I could go a little higher maybe to 40% but at 35% I seemed to be getting good withdrawls, for the most part with intact sheaths.
I tried the insulated probe, and once again came to the conclusion I dont like them! The hair epilated pretty much the same but for some reason I find it much harder to guage the insertions or seem to have a harder time getting into the folicle. It’s possible the color of the gold probe is the difference, or that the finish is finer but thee you have it.I didnt notice any appreciable difference in skin reaction.
I’ve stopped working at that intensity for the day. I am getting more skin reaction than I’m used to but not significantly so, but I’m wanting to give these a day before I pss judgement if I want to continue working this way.

Seana