Question about Thermolysis

It would take a minimum of 9 months in the best of situations, and 18 months in most situations. That assumes you get enough treatments spaced out correctly.

Thanks James.

I have been undergoing electrolysis for more than 2 yrs now with right spacing of treatments. I am concerned why its taking so much time for me for complete clearance. The hairs seems to come back again and again.Sometimes I doubt the efficacy of the process and sometimes I start doubting the skill of electrologist. Are there any pointers/parameters I should look for while undergoing treatments.

I keep a mirror with me during all times while undergoing treatment.I have noticed that my hair comes out gently when the electrologist pulls it with tweezers after inserting the needle for 1-2 secs. Should I look for device setting also(high/low). Is there any other thing that I should notice that are important factors too

We do not know enough. How many hairs are to be treated? How long and how often are the sessions occuring?

Anyway- thermolysis at 1-2 secs is not as fast as thermolysis at 0.2 secs, but properly done it can be pretty efficient.

So, if if the hairs are coming out smoothly(with twizzers) without any feeling of getting pulled forcefully or no sign of skin getting pulled, I should assume that everything is being done correctly.

No replies. Can anyone my most recent post/query

Everyone here as attempted to answer your questions but we need you to help us understand your situation better. Please clarify.

You started electrolysis 2 years ago.
Did you stop at some time to do Laser and then return to electrolysis?

The work is exclusively on your cheeks.
At every appointment, were the areas completely cleared several times?
How often did you go for electrolysis? Are your appointments getting shorter
and less frequent?

Have you discussed your issues with your electrologist?
Invite your electrologist to this website and we can all troubleshoot together.

Yes I started 2 yrs ago. Here is a summary though its difficult to recollect every detail.

No, I never did Laser. The work is exclusively on cheeks. On every appointment the area was cleared . The appointment were once in 2 weeks and 95% I have stuck to this schedule. Initial 2-3 appointments were hour long. Then slowly they came down to 30 mins over a period of 6 months. Then for next 1 year the appointments were between 20-30 mins. From last 5 months now, the appointments are for 10 mins. The frequency remains same 2 weeks

Few observations from last 5 months - The hair comes back in more or less 1.5 months(probably its less thick but it does come back) Is that your experience too? Normally if you tweeze hair, it comes back after 2 weeks. So the needle is doing some damage to follicle but probably not enough to kill it. That why I am curious about optimal machine setting too.

Sometimes I feel that if I don’t go for treatments for lets say 1.5 months to 2 months, I would have lot more hairs on my face. Going every other week, although good to capture anagen hairs ( I have become expert in hair theory :slight_smile: ) doesn’t give the exact picture.

Does the above summary is typical for this treatment?

This is my 3rd electrologist. I moved from one city to another for my job so electrologist got changed.I have shared my concerns with my electrologist in the past too but got evasive answers

You started 2 years ago for an hour and now you are down to 10 minutes every 4 to 6 weeks.

We have the most hair follicles, per square inch, on our cheeks.
It is possible that all of the hairs that need to grow are not all
present for the electrologist to treat. It could be that the electrologist is
waiting for wispy hairs to become a bit more pigmented or thicker. Without the electrologists’ input, we do not know the entire situation.

What is your age and gender?

Correction - I am down to 10 mins every 2 weeks.

My age is 37 yrs and gender - male. My entire body hairs are on the higher side. My current electrologist is working on me for 6 months now. So she won’t have any idea of the previous treatments. I can ask her if you have any specific technical questions.

So, the progress from 1 hr to 10 mins over 2 yrs and still way to go, is this acceptable?

Since you had a few different electrologists working on you and possibly various techniques, there is no way we can help you determine if your 10 minute treatments are an indication of major progress or slower progress.

I have many South Asian clients and it is common to see very hairy sideburns and cheeks, females included. Most of these clients just want the more obvious hairs removed, leaving the finer ones behind. This approach, “not clearing”, will extend the total treatment time. Since you are down to 10 minutes, that might be the situation you were in.

My response, in a previous post here: “We have the most hair follicles, per square inch, on our cheeks. It is possible that all of the hairs that need to grow are not all present for the electrologist to treat. It could be that the electrologist is waiting for wispy hairs to become a bit more pigmented or thicker. Without the electrologists’ input, we do not know the entire situation.”

Sorry to reiterate, but that information is critical to offer you more insight.

I understand the thing “obvious hairs” and to some extent you are correct. South Asians are probably more hairy and their skin color and hair color/texture (specially closer to eyes) is such that non obvious hairs get camouflaged.

But what makes me concerned is to see stray dark/thick hairs in areas that must have been treated over and over. There are hairs(that I can understand) coming out that are fine, thinner with lighter texture(probably they are near their end and correct me if my understanding is wrong) but I can’t explain/understand hairs that are still dark/thick/coarse coming from areas that have been treated many times over 2 years.

Because you are down to only 10 minutes for your treatments, I am guessing that the fine hairs are slowly transitioning to terminal hairs. Again, without knowing what the electrologists saw and what they administered, we can only guess.

All the best.

I was reading on some websites that thermolysis is effective only for shallow hairs and its performance degrades for deep hairs (typical for males). Is this true.

Or

Everything works sooner or later if done properly.

OOOOOPS! I posted to the wrong thread (again): This belongs here"

Since I wrote a book called “the Blend Method,” I suppose I would be the presumed advocate for the blend; and I am … mostly.

But here’s the thing. The way I actually work with “the blend,” is arguably NOT the true blend method. I’m removing BIG body hairs in about 1-second, with high thermolysis. People chide me that “you’re not really doing the blend!” And, they’re RIGHT!

Although I’m using 1.0 - 1.5 milliamperes of DC during that 1-second, that’s probably not enough time for much “blend” or “lye formation” to take place. Do I know this for sure? Well, NO! Do I actually care? Well, NO, again! I do know, however, exactly what this technique produces in the “real world.”

What I’m all about is NOT modality. I am, however, “all about” what works! If any methodology works fast and is efficient (and not expensive) … that’s all that’s important. I have seen all kinds of variations of all types of modalities and a lot of them are downright “spectacular” (even though I don’t use these methods myself).

It’s ONLY about results! Electrology “modalities” are not “religious beliefs.” Just worry about “if it’s working.”

Does this make any sense to you?

I agree. One should be concerned with results and not with modalities.

I guess I asked above question is because I am still traveling the electrolysis road. Yes, thermolysis is fast… but efficient? …still to see.

What I infer from your reply is even though you do blend but in effect you are actually removing hairs with heat. And when you say “spectacular” do you mean thermolysis?

I really not “inferring” anything.

Electrologists only have HF and DC to work with in a number of various ways. All of this is very much about “who’s doing it and how experienced they are.”

I wish I could be more helpful and definitive … but, well, that’s the reality of the thing. All clients would like a simple answer to this on-going dilema … but there is no answer to “which modality works best.”

Two dentists can be using the same instruments and applications. One can be excellent; the other poor. Make sense?

So keep doing what you are doing without bothering about modalities. It all depends on practitioner. Right?

How much weight does this article carry specially with regards to difficulty in achieving permanent kill and skin damage?

http://hairzapper.com/thermolysis/

I dont know how I feel about this. The informtion is well presented , and justified. That said I get advice fromt e pro’s that a similar article is outdated . One has to remember the person who wrote this performs ONLY galvonic on TG clients.Always beware when someone is selling something. Still I cant doubt her physical evidence. To be sure Galvonic is more forgiving of mistakes than thermolysis is, and is why this form of electrolysis is suggested as a starting point for newbies. I’m going to be trying it for a while and forming my own opinion.

EDIT: after reviewing susans page, I have to tell you I’m alot more comfortable performing galvonic than blend or thermolysis. The empirical evidence she details is astounding and I think a must read for any learning electrolysist.I still think there is a place for blend, but I’m starting to think that shes dead on on how this applied, in order to keep the temperatures below the critical 174 degree fareinheit range and prevent thermal damage.This is critical information that I think more should look at, and extremely well documented .Thank you for the link.

To Michael, our resident “Rock Star” I’d also like to get your take on what susan has to present, as you have so much to teach and seem to often be open to experimentation. Have you done extensive galvonic trials? It seems to me your method as described above would prevent alot of galvonic from taking place due to a reduction in the amount of water present in the folicle. Do you have any comments on what Susan presents?

Seana