So basically I was born with a lot of hair. I’ve recently started electrolysis in my underarms and hope to move on to my bikini line, legs, upper lip, and arms. I have a lot of hair and in most places it is a very noticeable blonde. The woman told me it could take up to six months to a year to treat an area based off of what type of hair is currently growing. My question is would marathon electrolysis knock it all out in one treatment? Or would I have to go and do another marathon treatment later. For anyone who has had an area done could you possibly tell me how much you paid and how long it to to have done?
Thank you:)
A marathon session would speed up the process, but you won’t be finished in 6 months because of the nature of hair growth cycles. Think in terms of 9-18 months. Getting a first, full clearance is certainly desirable, followed by getting cleared each and every time you go in until there is no hair left to treat. Your first session will not knock out all the hair in one treatment because not all the hair you really have is seen at one time. Hair grows in cycles. After you knock out the first bunch of hair that is seen today, get ready for the next group to appear in about 2-3 weeks. Knock that second group out and then you will see the third group of hairs cycle in in 2-3 weeks. Knock that third group of hairs out in 2-3 weeks and the fouth group of hairs will be greeting you. Keep this schedule for a couple months and then you may only have to go every four weeks. The number hairs decrease as you get to month six or seven and it gets more rewarding. Pretty soon you will have nothing to get because a hair, no matter what the size or color is no match for a skilled, professional electrologist.
I would look for someone that has updated and has a powerful epilator capable of doing the faster forms of thermolysis. More hairs will be treated per hour and you will be surprised how fast you get cleared. The faster forms of thermolysis are deadly and will allow the electrologist to keep you cleared until there is no hair to attack. The faster forms of thermolysis allows the electrologist to work longer and brings her/him much satisfaction in serving your needs better.
I am really awed by my epilator, the Apilus Platinum, and I frequently use a fantastic mode of thermolysis called ‘Synchro’ for deeply rooted hairs on the bikini line, underarms, areola’s and even the large, well-fed, sturdy hairs on many a chinny, chin, chin’s.
All forms of electrolysis will deliver permanent hair removal. I mention what I use because it makes hair removal so much easier and exciting. If you find some one good who is slower, just know that you need to perservere and be patient. You will still get to your goal and all will be okay.
By chance, are your roots dark even though your hair is blond? If they are, think laser for your underarms, bikini and lower legs, but do have an electrologist close by to finish the job. If your roots are not dark enough, then electrolysis is all you have.
Dee
In electrology school we used to work on each other for practice. Many girls wanted the job done as fast as possible and had multiple students working on them at the same time. One on each leg and one on the bikini line, another on each under arm and a session could last for an hour each time.
It can be done if you have the operators available to work on you.
There is no indication as to how old you are. If you are young and the hair is growing in areas where men usually grow hair and women do not… it is possible there is a medical reason for the hair. It is also possible your full complement of hair has not yet grown in. When the hair growth started it was not all on one day. It starts slowly and gets thicker as it spreads to the belly, chest, breasts, sideburns, upper lip etc. Consequently, there is not enough information here to give you a realistic answer. If someone does… get it in writing.
Marathon sessions are awesome if you can find someone who will do them. I would not participate in a situation where two students work on you at the same time if you can find a modernly equipped electrologist that is adept at doing the the faster forms of thermolysis. She would be much faster than a two students put together.
I am assuming you are female and you are naturally, genetically hairy individual. Your upper lip, arms, legs and bikini line hair sounds like the story of a huge percentage of women and is probably nothing induced by internal disease. If everyone who had hair went running to their doctor because of naturally occuring hair in places that are normal to have hair, the cost of health care would burst beyond the unimaginable amounts we already endure.
You sound like a healthy female that wants permanent hair removal, so don’t dwell too much on finding the source of your hair problem, but be aware that if symptoms develop beyond what is normal, then consult with your doctor.
This is what a marathon session(s) look like:
"#59643 - Sun Feb 01 2009 05:32 PM
Re: Hair on Arms and Hands!!!
dfahey
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[color:#000099]"I keep track of time lines and numbers for certain cases so as to help clients understand what is required to reach their goals for permanent hair removal. People naturally want answers to the how long? and how much? questions. We cant be precise, but we can give examples of what other cases look like.
Here is the profile of one of my female arm cases, defined as hair removal with MicroFlash (Silhouet-Tone VMC) and now PicoFlash thermolysis (Apilus Platinum), from the fingers, hands, forearms and upper arms in a 48 year woman.
She has had 21 treatments since August 30, 2007. She saw me 2 times in Sept. 2007, 3X in Oct., 2007, 2X in Nov., 2007,2X in Dec., 2007, 2X in Jan., 2008, 2X in Feb., 2008, 2X in March, 2008, 1X in April, 2008. She skipped May, June, July, August of 2008. She re-started treatment in Sept., 2008 and had 2 treatments, skipped October, had 1 treatment in Nov., 2008, skipped Dec., 2008 and just recently saw me January 12, 2009.
Her totals to date:
She has invested 31 hours of her time so far, but she was cleared of hair on both arms after five sessions totaling 9 hours. For the next 16 appointments, up to the present time, she was cleared of hair everytime she left the office. We have done 20,747 insertions since August 30, 2007. She is finished by all definitions, and really has been since November of 2008. Last appointment consisted of getting sporadic hairs on both extremities that she wanted removed, but were really of no consequence to the human eye. Barely noticable. She has invested $2,085.64 to have permanent hair REMOVAL on both arms from fingers to shoulders. I would describe her hair as medium to fine long, dark hair when she presented for that first appointment. Her arms are bare and the skin looks fabulous. The sensation factor was nothing of consequence, didn’t hurt very much.
She had no other recourse but to remove this hair permanently with electrolysis, as laser would not have fully accomplished the job because her hairs were not the coarse, dark variety. It was electrolysis, or nothing. The decision was easy.
This project would have been completed in about year or 14 months, if she had not taken the summer off from May 2008 - August 2008. Many people say it would take forever to have electrolysis on large areas, to which I ask, is a year to 18 months forever?
Her average session was about 1.5- 2 hours for each arm and then as we neared the end, both arms could be fully cleared in the SAME amount of time.
When the faster forms of thermolysis, such as MicroFlash and PicoFlash are performed with a complient client that follows advice, then permanent hair removal is obtained. Those are the numbers for THIS client’s hair thumbprint. If someone has less active follicles or only wants the forearms thinned, the numbers may be less. If someone has more hair follicles than this client, then the numbers go up, of course. Electrolysis can handle large areas if it performed with the better computerized epilator’s, quality surgical magnification and lighting. Tools used DO MATTER. Last bit of information is, there must be the willingness on the part of the client and the practitioner to go forward and get the job done within a year to year and a half. The concept of getting a first, full clearance and keeping the area cleared by regularly spaced appointments can not be emphasized enough. Fifteen and thirty minute appointments just won’t do it and it ends up costing the client more in the end.
Dee"
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Thanks everyone especially dafhey you really gave some great info that put things into a new perspective for me. 
It was my pleasure to be of assistance to you, frosted… 
I think we all agree that whatever settings we use we still have to deliver it to the correct location for the correct length of time to deliver the correct amount of heat or it will not work. Now lets look at some of the statements here that are made by machine manufacturers and those who buy the machines.
A microsecond is ONE MILLIONTH of a second. A picosecond is ONE BILLIONTH of a second and a nanosecond is one TRILLIONTH of a second. No matter what speed you work at you have to reach the bottom of the follicle and then close the switch. This means you have to make an insertion and FEEL for the bottom of the follicle. There is some feedback from the bottom of the follicle to your hand by way of the feel of the resistance at the bottom of the follicle to tell you to stop pushing forward. Next you have to send a message to your brain to reverse the action of your hand and withdraw the probe. In between these moves you have to step on the switch. Next you have to see when the probe is out of the follicle to grab the forceps and then grasp the hair to remove it from the follicle. All these moves require excellent hand-eye co-ordination to be exactly on the mark so that you do not STAB the patient or yourself. In addition when you determine it is TIME to make the next move…you have to sent a message to your brain to make some moves with the fingers and hand and arm. There is a delay before the brain sends the message to the fingers and hand and more time to execute the brain signal to the hand and fingers.
THIS MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO EXCUTE ALL THESE ACTIONS IN A THOUSANDTH OF A SECOND OR EVEN A TENTH OF A SECOND. IF IT TAKES ONLY 1/2 A SECOND PER HAIR USING THERMOLYSIS THAT MEANS 2 HAIRS PER SECOND OR 120 PER MINUTE OR 1200 PER 10 MINUTES AND THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE (BLEND IS SLOWER BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE CHEMICAL REACTION TO BE COMPLETED).
TH FOLLOWING IS FROM GOOGLE…Nerve speed.
The nervous system is responsible for transmitting impulses throughout the body. The function of our bodies throughout our lives are primarily supported by the nervous system. If not for the nervous system we will not be able to control our muscles, and our tissues and organs will no longer be able to function. Sense organs provide the nervous system with information about the environment through such senses as sight hearing, smell, taste, touch, pressure, and pain. Nerves are connected throughout the body leading up to the brain. They carry the information through the body in the form of electrochemical signals called impulses impulses. These signals travel from the brain to the spinal cord, through the nerves to the organs, tissues and muscles.
The speed of a nerve impulse varies with the type of nerve impulse the nervous system is sending. Some signals such as those for muscle position, travel at speeds up to 119m/s (a meter is about 33 inches or from the eye to the brain to the hand to the brain and back to the hand is roughly 3.5 meters plus the time lag to change directions etc.) Nerve impulses such as pain signals travel slower at 0.61m/s. Touch signals travel at speeds of 76.2m/s. If you are reading this at this moment and thinking at the same time, which some people may have trouble with, thought signals are traveling at speeds ranging between 20 and 30 meters per second. Plus the reaction time it takes for the brain to execute a command to the nerves to react and send out the message to the fingers and hand. This requires very fine exacting maneuvers of hand, mind and fingers. I do not believe any machine working at any speed will help an electrologist move fast enough to remove as many as 90 hairs in 60 seconds because it is NOT the speed of the machine as much as it is the speed of the operator. That is only 1.5 hairs per second. It is easy to clock yourself because you can count the insertions and set a timer for 5 minutes. Do not be surprised at how fast or slow you really are. This is easy to check so why don’t you try it? This is why manufacturers may STRETCHHHH the truth. They need to sell machines. If the advertising is not truthful …FDA can confiscate their machines as a last resort. Ask for PROOF for all the claims they make.
I have asked Harvey (Lefty) at least three times if he has used a computerized epilator for at least a year. I never get an answer. I am a very straightforward person and will jump over the “book” written above about nerve impulses and such and ask him again about his experience with computerized epilators that can can perform the faster forms of thermolysis. I’ll put this question to Harvey in bigger print to be courteous: [font:Arial Black][size:20pt]HAVE YOU PERSONALLY USED A COMPUTERIZED EPILATOR ON AT LEAST ONE CLIENT FROM START TO FINISH? [/size][/font]Otherwise, you offer little to any discussion about this topic. Will I get an answer finally? I’m not holding my breath.
Thank you sir for your anticipated answer.
Lefty, your rants are completely useless, both on this and the laser section of the forum. I don’t know what you’re trying to achieve, but as you can tell, consumers simply ignore your posts.
There are consumers here posting with RESULTS that completely dispute everything you rant about for paragraphs at a time. It’s really becoming a nuisance to ignore.
Please point out which posts you find incorrect. Is it the one about MATRIX? Is it the one about knowing when the hair is killed? Why don’t others correct me if they think I am wrong. How about yourself? Is there anything WRONG with my facts. You are a professional and you have your own way of working, therefore, you can argue any point you want. It isyour opinion an d I have mine.
Do you really believe some electrologist can really work as fast as they say. If you do I know of a bridge in Brooklyn I would love to sell you very cheap.
Nano seconds, picoseconds, milliseconds make no difference in the operators speed. It is the operator thak makmes the difference. Any manufacturer who makes claims has to prove it or FDA and FCC will come down on them if there is a complaint.
Once again, a bunch of words but not response to a simple question, which is obviously NO. Let it go. You’re filling this forum with a bunch of useless nonsense. It wasn’t created for that.
No one is correcting you for the same reason that no one stops and tries to explain anything to people standing on cardboard boxes on the street yelling about their beliefs at passerbys.
Wow, this was my first post, I never knew my question would make people so spirited about it. LOL. But thanks all for taking an interest.
Isn’t this fun, frosted? Let me try this again:
[size:20pt][color:#CC66CC]Mr. Grove,
Have you ever used a computerized epilator (like an upper end Apilus or Silhout-Tone VMC, etc…) on at least one client consistently, for at least one year, using one of the faster forms of thermolysis?[/color][/size] I’m thinking a purplely-pink Easter time color might get your attention. Yes? or No? It’s a very simple question.
Thank you for your anticipated answer.
In all fairness I believe there has been a minor misunderstanding here.
No one has ever said that anyone is removing 90 hairs a minute, however, in our discussions about the natural and statistical limits of electrolysis modalities, we have discussed what is possible, and what is probable.
In those discussions, we did talk about how each modality requires a certain amount of time to get to work on a hair. We also stated what that translated to in possible number of hairs per minute and per hour. We then pointed out that a human has to work the machine, and the humans have limitations. These served to slow down the treatment process below the statistical limits of the modality.
It was at this point that we said that the machines make a difference in this equation as a person working with a spark gap Kree machine can’t work as fast as a person working with an Apilus Platinum because of the very equipment being used. The fastest electrolysis provider would have a slower speed on a Kree than she or he would on a Platinum (ASSUMING both were being used to their fullest capacity) because the Apilus offers BOTH a faster treatment timing AND the auto sensor that allows the electrolysis provider to eliminate the co-ordination synchronization of the insertion and the footpedal tapping (Finger switching to our friends in the UK) and thus makes for a few more hairs per minute possible as there are fewer motions needed to remove hairs.
The more streamlined a process, the faster it can be done. In the case of electrolysis, the less movement one gets from the client the faster one can work as well. Comfortable clients don’t fidget and squirm or flinch. This adds speed to the hairs per hour count as well.
Realistically, I believe these are the things that are being talked around, but not addressed in Mr. Grove’s comments.
No one said that any electrolysis provider out there is doing 90 hairs per minute, but if you consider the fact that the auto sensor on the Apilus machines from the SM-500 on up can be set to 0.1 seconds from insertion, it is only the speed at which the one operating the machine can move that keeps them from being able to remove 90 hairs in one minute.
Darned humanity 