question about laser treatments for male legs.

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#1

Hello

I’m currently planning electrolysis for above the waist areas and brazilian area, but if I can achieve lasting results with laser then I feel comfortable doing my legs. The issue I’m having is that I can’t really find any reviews from men who have 5+ years of lasting results from laser. I don’t want 2 or 3 years of results. I want LIFE long results. I’m looking for about a 70% reduction. Are there any men out there who have had the kind of results I’m looking for? I’ve attached some photos and I feel I’m an ideal candidate for laser, but some input from here woulnd’t hurt. I’m a very healthy and very active 34 year old. Thanks guys.

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#2

I believe lower legs respond very well compared to upper legs. Your hair looks soft and not very dense. I’m not sure if anyone can guarantee a 70% reduction but you will achieve some degree of reduction. As for laser permanency, there have been exhaustive topics here with inputs from laser experts on how permanency is measured in studies. The point being is that laser is permanent when done correctly. People rarely update their progress after a 1 so can you imagine any guy sticking around for 5 years to update some forum on his laser success?

We did/do have the owner of Romeo and Juliette laser center in NYC participate on Hairtell. He is an expert with many male clients. Try to contact him in private or email and perhaps he can help assess your photos and give his experience treating male legs at his center.

#3

Thanks for the response! I think I will just stick to electrolysis. More of a marathon process, but results are what I’m after. Not a quick solution that may be a gamble.

#4

Good choice. BRAVO!

I have had WAY too many male clients that ended up with an abhorrent “moth-eaten” look from laser. This is especially atrocious on the beard. It’s HORRIBLE, and worthy of a lawsuit! (And, one is now underway: “damages,” and payment for electrolysis “corrections.” Welcome to California! Tee hee.)

When the guy only wanted some EVEN thinning, he ended up with patches of bare skin that now looks like he has some sort of skin DISEASE. Yeah sure, a LOT of girls want to kiss that lovely “moth-eaten” face now!

This potential negative result would be disfiguring on your legs too. With (good) electrolysis, what you SEE is what you WILL get. You thin out the area gradually until you get the appearance you want. It ain’t fast, but it’s absolute. You want “immediate” … okay fine, take the risk!

Of course the Laser-Kopfs will disagree. However, will they offer a written GUARANTEE of the work and a written guarantee of complete post-treatment perfection … exactly what the patient wants? Electrologists will do this, because we CAN do this … so there it is!

#5

Oh, another consideration for you.

When I was young, my legs looked like yours … except my hairs were “Italian black.” Now, I’m an old fart and my legs are almost HAIRLESS! (I don’t like it either. YUCK!) Why hairless? Because I now have, like, three male hormones left. I have named them too: John, Harold and Antonio (the last one is Italian).

In ten year, you will, most likely, already have 25% to 30% less leg hair … unless you start injecting “Test” … and that’s not a good idea. (I tried it and it sent me to the ER … I thought it was a heart attack. I was fine, and now I’m off the “juice.” Oh yeah, I grew some new back hair too … LOVELY! “LOW-T” is a medical SCAM and potentially dangerous!

Be CAREFUL with all the “shit” out there. Do your research and get the operators to give you REAL answers! In the 1920s, we had the “Golden Age of Quackery.” Today, we have the “Titanium Age of Quackery!” And, the beat goes on …

#6

Careful Michael! You just KNEW I was going to comment on this!

First off, to the OP, congratulations on a fine choice .Electrolysis may be slow, but it also accounts for the artistic “thinning” that laser doesnt do so well, or makes “patchy” . Great choice OP!

But umm, Michael,I’m afraid I’m a little too familiar with how hormones work to let you get away with slandering an important part of the medical community as a “scam” when it helps many people, both trans and CIS.
I make no mystery of the fact I’m transexual. In my particular case, I dont want the testosterone as I am female. That said though, my 20 year old kid is transexual the oposite way, female to male. My life partner , is also transexual female to male. One is on pills, the other injects. The one on pills will switch to injections within the next month. I get a excellent first hand view of what testosterone does to a system, from a number of viewpoints.
I can tell you that with the proper regular bloodwork, and proper monitoring, testosterone injections are completely safe. Will it cause body hair growth? YOu bet! And quickly too. IT will cause irritability (my partner describes it as someone poking holes in the filter that normally prevents one from telling another when they are being an asshat.)
The reality is, that for some men, yes, testosterone DOES decrease with age. Along with that comes erectile dysfunction, sometimes depression, lack of overall energy.Supplements of testosterone can and in many men DO help to overcome some of these issues. And it’s safe, asssuming the prescribing doctor is knowledgeable in their use, and properly monitoring levels.
I happen to know that my own endocrinologist ( a world leader in endocrine systems ) does NOT start a patient with injections. Generally testosterone is started in low dose via oral ingestion, for the reason that it checks for tolerance and other problems. To just start someone strait into injections, , is in my opinion foolhardy and dangerous. But that doesnt make all "Low testosterone " treatments dangerous. There are many people, trans and CIS who benefit greatly from such therapies. Definitely not a “scam”.

Seana

#7

You missed the point.

Hormone therapy is indicated for people that require it. Of course I know that! You need to do some reading on the “new Low-T scam” now promoted, basically, for all men. Indeed, you take hormones when they are medically needed (under physician care).

What I have said is now the official opinion of the AMA … along with strong new warnings. Look it up before you “jump all over me!” (I’m talking about the “fly-by-night” clinics!)

Here’s what’s happening. Hundreds of “Low-T” clinics have emerged all over the country. These are staffed not by physicians, but by nurses or physician assistants. Most patients NEVER see a physician. They “push” the treatment. I know what the hell I’m talking about. Read up on this yourself.

AMA says that if you are a male over the age of 65 (and do not require hormones for a specific clinical reason), with “low-T” replacement, you now have a 200% greater risk of heart attack. If you are under 50 years of age, you have, with unnecessary hormone therapy, a 300% increased risk of heart attack.

(I think we had a similar agument some time ago about skin cancer being “epidemic?”)

Would you like to have a discussion about female hormones that were prescribed to “all females” and were later found out to increase the risks of cancer?

#8

The type of hair and density you have on your legs is ideal for laser. I had similar hair to that (maybe a little less) when I started and now my legs are significantly less hairy. There’s also a few people who have shared that they have had great results on the legs and long-lasting.

However, will they offer a written GUARANTEE of the work and a written guarantee of complete post-treatment perfection … exactly what the patient wants? Electrologists will do this

Odd because I have never come across a single electrologist in person who offers a written guarantee.

#9

Where I’m used to seeing testosterone abused Michael, is in body builders… They use it to bulk up . And in other competitive sports.
I cannot believe in such clinics as you speak of. Such wouldnt be possible here, because it’s a controlled substance that requires specialized physician credentials to prescribe. My kid has to watch not to use too much or too little, or the pharmacy wont renew it. If you have such in the united states it would present a problem. However access to testosterone here is very tightly controlled.

Seana

#10

We can always count on Brenton to defend the laser industry … after all, he did get good results and that counts for something; besides he’s on a sacred mission. Yes, we know you had great results and that’s great! It really is. But one has to go well beyond one (or a few) successful outcome(s) and weigh as much hard evidence, and risks, as possible. I’m talking about (since I’m often misunderstood) the final result the client wants; not that it “works or does not work!”

All electrologists I know offer a guarantee of the final result, if you want written it can be done. However, a spoken guarantee is just as good (legally) as a written one.

Can any laser operator give any promise of precisely 70% reduction? Maybe 25%, or 50% reduction? You know, the exact outcome that the client wants? I don’t think so, and THAT was the issue. The issue was not that it “worked great on Brenton!” Yes, we DO know and have heard about your successes many times indeed … and that’s terrific. Bravo! But your one dividual success does not invalidate what I’ve said (and you DO try to accomplish this all the time! It’s that holy mission stuff. Not working!)

What if the guy wanted 50% reduction, and got 100% reduction? Now what? With electrolysis he might discover he actually wanted less than, or more than a 70% reduction … See, we remove it slowly and create the exact outcome the client wants.

Of course the OP can “trust” the outcome of Brenton, or perhaps the mountains of documented photographic evidence of “patchy” laser work … especially BEARD work gone bad, that is truly disfiguring. I suppose it’s everyone’s own decision based on what he or she wants to believe and whom they trust. (I had good results from laser too … that’s not the issue!)

Seana, you live in a bit of a bubble in that “Great White North.” You have no idea what’s going on “down here.” The AMA study was, for example, on 50,000 men! It’s a significant number and certainly enough to issue a warning; which they have done. My comments were not directed at the TG community whatsoever … I mean not at all; not even on my “radar.” I understand this legitimate usage.

I don’t mind being “called out” on something. But I dislike it when the admonishment is based on misunderstanding. Then, I’m on the damned ceiling again.

I suppose we all have our own private bubble of sorts. Sometimes they “burst” on us when we least expect it! I even blow-up my own bubbles now and then. It’s fun!

#11

What if the guy wanted 50% reduction, and got 100% reduction? Now what? With electrolysis he might discover he actually wanted less than, or more than a 70% reduction … See, we remove it slowly and create the exact outcome the client wants.

What IF the OP spends 6 months getting undertreated and now he’s down thousands of dollars with no results to show for it? I’m pretty sure you’ve seen a number of cases like that. At least with laser, he has a number that would indicate whether or not he’s wasting his time. Yes, the beard has a tendency to come out patchy but you can’t project what happens on the face to say it will happen on the legs. If I’m banned from projecting from successful outcomes, then I don’t see why it’s ok for you to project from negative outcomes. The only reason people have very patchy cases on NON-facial areas is because the laser technician is not covering the area well.

And if you want a number, each treatment of laser with GOOD settings is approximately ~20% reduction. He can do whatever he wants, but this is a prime case where it would be way more cost effective and less time-consuming to have a couple laser treatments to reduce the hair and then finish it up with electrolysis.

#12

Actually, you are probably right, now that you state it like that. My own work (arms) turned out okay (test area only). Legs are probably a “safe bet.”

Besides, (you didn’t mention this), but very few electrologists would even attempt doing men’s legs. I do, Jossie does and so does Dee Dee. We are probably in the extreme minority.

If, as you say, the guy got no results from electrolysis … well, he should get ALL his money back. Sue the bastards! My attorney now has a 100% record for getting back “the bucks” for failed treatments. I support these efforts.

My own clients? If they are not happy, I start writing a check … even if they are unsatisfied from “one clearance.” AND, I would never pre-charge anybody and then refuse to give them their money back if they “didn’t like anything about me or my office, or whatever!” Yeah, it happens!

I suppose I’m overwhelmed with clients that had BAD BAD BAD laser experiences: ripped-off and the areas look horrible. Brenton, you are not seeing my cases, so you do not know what I’m dealing with. I’m fed up with it!

I’m glad it worked for you! And, in spite of what you might think; I think you’re a really cool kid! I just still have WAY too much “New York” in me (add in Italian, and well, there it is.)

I just don’t want to have to deal with another case of “I spent $12,000 on laser and now look at this mess … can you do something for me?” This is now a whole new “ball game” for me … cleaning up the mess … and I SERIOUSLY do not like it one damned bit!

So there! Ha ha ha

#13

And this is the other reason I’m hesitant with laser. Right now I’m a clean slate with fully grown and untouched hair. I would rather see you at my hairiest so that I know exactly where my starting point is LOL.

#14

If you have the financial resources and are willing to travel, go to someone like Bono for surefire treatment with electrolysis. Otherwise, even when you have the time and money, finding an electrologist that will do large areas and treats hair with high kill rate with each clearance is harder to find than a cosmetic surgeon who will be willing to implant titanium horns into a skull. My sister had laser done on her legs with success. I think laser on legs is like the best area to see good results. Patchy issues come when clinics don’t perform touch-ups in the treatment plan. So if you look for laser, see if they do touch-ups.

#15

Seattleguy, if you’ve already been persuaded that electrolysis is the solution, that’s cool - I wish you luck.

But I think I might be the answer to your question. I’m male, 32yo, and 11 years ago I started treatment on hairy legs that looked a lot like yours. :slight_smile:

I’ve just posted my results here: http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/114225/My_results_10_years_after_lase.html