Question about hairs ability to recover.

I’ve asked on the laser forum about partially damaged hairs that has become thinn due to laser treatments and if these will revert back to coarse again. I got encouraging answer from a laser practitioner who said that her experience after years of hair removal is that hair that has become thinn due to laser treatments stays thinn.

Does any electrolysis practitioner have experience about this? If a coarse hair is only partially damaged by electrolysis and becomes thinner, will it usually revert back to coarse again or will it remain thinn.

And what about if you wax said hair?

Waxing will probably make it thicker, but the hair usually doesnt get thicker unless increased blood flow or hormonal imbalance but uve prob heard all that already. However personally, i think it all depends on the individual, jus have to wait and see i guess. Im in the same boat as you, and i jus hope they dont get any thicker. Does the body repair damage done to the follicles??? who knows!!! But also an interesting question is that do the hairs that were triggered by laser eventually dissapear after a few hair cycles??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> But i would like practioners also to post back their experiences on this matter.

The unfortunate thing is that once any hair starts growing, no matter what reason it started, it won’t stop growing anymore. Only a really large drop in blood supply to the area where the hair is growing could naturally cause a hair to stop growing without outside intervention. Years of poor circulation does this to legs all the time. If one had that type of poor circulation in the area of the face, the brain would be starving as well. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

mr James, do you have a oppinion about the hairs ability to recover and get coarse again when partially damaged?

Any thickening or increase in number of hairs in an area is due to the blood supply and hormonal instructions given by the body. If you have a hair in a follicle, and that hair is acted upon by increased blood flow, or hormonal exposure, it will thicken and it may have new hairs popping up around it.

With no change in blood supply or hormonal activity, thinned hairs would be expected to stay thin, but there is no research to say conclusively what one can expect.

Anecdotally, I can tell you that many men who have had facial LASER in the past end up doing about 150 hours of electrolysis with me later, and one would think that they would need less than that if they got much benefit from what they had done previously, for what they paid.

My personal opinion is that there is no inbetween. Either the hair is successfully treated and removed or it will recover and go back to normal eventually (if a little distorted in some cases). After all, follicles contain stem cells so if you damaged a few follicle cells then more would be created if no other factors change. Having had the old ruby laser done on my arms many years ago I experienced nearly a year of hair free skin until it started growing back in. The regrowth was certainly finer BUT it did eventually go back to being as thick as it was before after another 2 years. However others have had it done and it did seem to reduce hair growth BUT there is no way of knowing whether it was the laser or some other factor.

As for my clients, I’ve seen it all really. From reduced hair growth to increased hair growth. There is still so much that we don’t know about how laser/ipl works.

I think what your laser practitioner meant was that the area became more thinned out, rather than the individual hairs becoming thinner. Hairs usually become thinner due to a change in blood supply or hormonal instructions (e.g. the scalp losing hair).
You might find this study useful
http://www.prestigeelec.com/cgi-bin/loca…-02106546970.74

Thankyou for the reply mr James.
My question is about hair on the body, not on the face. Hair on the face of men and women seem to be different from hair on the body when you read about peoples experiences.
The hair on my body has become much thinner than before IPL treatments and now it’s 7 months after my last treatment and it is still as thinn.
I’ve tried to do an experiment by plucking some hairs around my nipples to see if they will become coarse but they grow in just as slowly and in their thinner state.
Also I wonder, how do you mean that a body part would get more blood flow?

Pamd. Thankyou for your reply.
The laser practitoner I wrote to on the laser forum meant that the hairs usually remain fine. And she specifically meant that the individual hair remains finer, not that the overall growth is sparser (because I haven’t noticed any difference in the amount of hairs on body, just a significant difference in their coarsness).

This is her post:

"As a species, most of what we know, we’ve learned in the last 30 to 40 years. And the pace of what we are learning is accelerating, to the point that we know more and more about less and less. The problem is that we tend to forget to pay attention to what we don’t know. And unfortuantely, your questions really wrap around what we don’t know.

So let’s start about what we do know about hair and hair removal. We know that everyone is basically born with all the hair follicles that they are going to have. We also know that not all follicles are active at all times. Some follicles are never active. And some only become active during different stages of our life (puberty, menopause, etc). We also know that when a follicle is completely destroyed it does not come back.

Now let’s look at what we don’t know. We don’t know what part of the hair follicle is critical for destruction. Is it is the bulb, the bulge, or the entire follicle? What part do you have to destroy to really destroy the hair follicle? We don’t know why destroying some of the follicular cells results in finer hair. And we don’t know what happens to a hair follicle that is not completely destroyed. Will the hair follicle recover? No one knows.

But we can make some SWAGs (as opposed to WAGs). A WAG is a wild ass guess. A SWAG is a scientifically based wild ass guess.

So here are some of my SWAGs about what to expect. I think three things can happen to hair when it is treated. 1) the treatment kills the hair. 2) the treatment partially destroys the hair. 3) the treatment has no effect. My sense is that one of the reasons that we see finer hair is because the treatment partically destroys the hair follicle but does not kill it. In addition, there are hairs that are not treated-they are dormant during treatment or were missed (partially or completely).

My sense is that the hairs that we see that are finer are hairs that were treated but only partially killed. There is also some biopsies and histology that supports that theory. But I have seen people with coares hair interspersed among the finer hair and my sense is that the coarse hair is hair that was completely missed.

Whether fine hair will get coarse or not is an unknown. Again, my sense is that it has not for as long as we have been following our results. We started in 1997 and I have followed many people since then. Almost everyone who has poor results ends up seeing me at some point. Which is one of the reasons why we have learned as much as we know about what we do. I do not recall anyone who has hair that has significantly coarsen up over time. This is not to say that it can not happen, just that it isn’t common. Otherwise, I would be seeing people who would come in to complain about their hair having gotten thicker and coarser after it was fine.

This is not to say that it can’t happen. Just that among the thousands of clients we have had, it has not been an issue or something that we have seen. Now that isn’t to say that after 12 years it won’t back. We just haven’t followed people out that long. So we don’t know."

Sorry I didn’t realise you meant another poster. I don’t think you can read too much into your own plucking experiments as you have no way of knowing if the hair growing is the exact same one you plucked. Hair growth can’t be isolated to the condition of the follicle, there are lots of other factors to consider (such as bloodflow). You’d be better off getting up to date medical textbooks about skin&hair and endocrinology.

The unfortunate thing is that once any hair starts growing, no matter what reason it started, it won’t stop growing anymore. Only a really large drop in blood supply to the area where the hair is growing could naturally cause a hair to stop growing without outside intervention. Years of poor circulation does this to legs all the time. If one had that type of poor circulation in the area of the face, the brain would be starving as well. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

James i’m talking about the sides of my back where the hair was fine and my practitioner lasered these fine hairs and half of them became abnormaly long (longer than anywhere else on my back) and it looks weird. Im not saying if these hairs will go completely but is it possible that they can return to their original fine state after a few growth cycles or is that not possible either.