I’ve heard this device is much faster. I’m going to need large areas done on my body and I was just wondering if this would help significantly time wise? By time wise I mean per session.
It is faster in that one has more hair removed per session, also regrowth is less too. Another significant factor, is that a modality such as picoflash, is so much more comfortable for the client, so they tend to have longer sessions, and this of course results in much speedier progress.
Yes, Christine is correct in her assertions. With Apilus Platinum, it’s easy to exceed 2000 hairs per hour with results that exceed 90% of elimination. 
Slightly odd/out of place question: What’s the price of an Apilus Platinum in dollars and euros? And how much does a Cleo/sx-500 cost?
It is a bit out of date, but this will give you a general idea of what those machines cost. You can use Google to give you the exchange rate; eg. type in “6995 usd to eur” will give you the current exchange rate.
http://www.electrolysissupplies.com/price_list_7-28-09.pdf
If you really want a Cleo with Blend, there is one on eBay for $1000 like new right now.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Professional-Apilus-Cleo-Compu-Logic-Epilator-/140444968751
Is that a realistic number of hairs per hour? The best I’ve ever gotten when treated with picoflash/microflash is around 600-700 per hour (based on average of 10-12 hairs per minute). [/quote]
If you have any doubts, just see how it works James. He has been very kind to show the world his ability and efficiency in the video below:
You can see in real time that he spends a second to insert and apply the necessary current. If he left the last 10 seconds to a minute to remove all the hairs treated in the previous 50 seconds of that minute, the number of hairs treated exceed 2500 hairs per hour.
Are you real, James? 
PicoFlash thermolysis in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rYLDxooOv0&feature=related
Galvanic electrolysis with 16 probes coming next:
In addition to James’ video, here is a:
Demonstration of [size:14pt]PicoFlash[/size] thermolysis in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rYLDxooOv0&feature=related
Here is a demonstration of [size:14pt]Galvanic[/size] electrolysis with multi-probes (16 probes). Cataphoresis is demonstrated as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8vFZZpkdNQ&feature=related
Here is a demonstration of [size:14pt]Blend[/size] electrolysis, however, the full length of time that is required for blend (4 seconds to 20 seconds) is not accurately shown here. Flash thermolysis is also demonstrated and is true to what you see. If you have troube opening, go directly to youtube to see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN7UrQ8h_zs
PicoFlash or any of the flashes are faster and are just as deadly to hair follicles, face or body, as galvanic and blend IIIIIFFFFFF applied with special technique and skill, using the better tools of the profession available today.
omg so shaving every day for the rest of my life doesn’t seem so bad after watching those vids. That looks so painful.
It is not that painful when performed by professionals like you see in the videos above. I saw very compliant clients looking very peaceful. I think galvanic makes potential clients hesitant to get electrolysis with all those wires and such, but it is a method that works very well. It is too slow for me and my clients. I can destroy hair follicles just as well with good technique and with good equipment like the Apilus Platinum using PicoFlash, MultiPlex or Synchro modes of thermolysis. People want the hair off fast and they want the skin to react as little as possible.
I have been told that LASER and tattooing are more painful than electrolysis.
Electrolysis can be painful for the following reasons:
- Incorrect probe size or insertion breaking the skin
- Electric current up higher than your tolerance can handle (which sometimes has to happen due to poor hydration on the skin, thickness of hair/probe, or type of probe)
- Hair regrowth causing ingrown hair (temporarily until you can kill it)
- Nearness to nerve sites (certain parts of the body)
I’m an expert on the pain. I’ve had hundreds of hours done. Sometimes I go 2 hours in a session like it’s nothing. Sometimes I’m struggling after 30 minutes.
Hair removal is not always easy. Various things can be done to minimize the pain. I’m a big fan of picoflash and wish that my practitioner used it. That had the best sensation.
In the end, it’s still worth it because IT WORKS.
I don’t find it that painful at all. And there are really too many variable to make a generic call like that. It all depends on the area, settings, machine, skill of your electrologist, etc. Plus, there are numbing creams available if you’re a wuss 
Is that a realistic number of hairs per hour? The best I’ve ever gotten when treated with picoflash/microflash is around 600-700 per hour (based on average of 10-12 hairs per minute).[/quote]
I personally believe that 600-700 hairs per hour is realistic. Having practiced for over 30 years and currently using the Platinum epilator, I believe accuracy could be lost with the attempt for speed. IMHO
Performing 2000 insertions in 3600 seconds comes out to something like 1.8 hairs per second - or .555… seconds per hair. Hummingbirds we are not!!!
I know only one person that I ever saw who clocked that fast, and that person refused to use the auto sensor that would have made this that person’s everyday speed. In practice that person delivered about 1,000 hairs per hour, but was inserting 3 times per hair (and this, had the protocol been altered to be auto-sensor with treatment energy set for one zap, well, you all can do the math)
Fino certainly was fast. I don’t doubt that at all, but I just can’t comprehend what that looks like. People hearing 2,000 insertions per hour should definitely know that THIS IS NOT THE NORM, so don’t expect your electrologist to be a superwoman or man with insertions counts like that
So, 2,000 insertions per hour? I’d like to see a video! That is awesome. I’m not that speedy. For facial areas, once I have established a pattern, I can accomplish anywhere from 600-800 insertion per hour. A few times I have hit the 1,100 insertion mark per hour, but that would be for the peach fuzz type hair, not coarse hair. For body work, say the arms, I can really fly in auto sensor mode and reach to 900-1,200 insertions per hour. To do this, I don’t talk, I just concentrate and work like I have a bad addiction. Music on, client closes their eyes and I go into my “kill the hair zone”. People want the hair off fast. That also means that they want you to be very accurate and careful. Fast and steady can be accomplished. If it can’t, then it is better to have a slower electrologist. Electrologists are taught to Never Compromise the Insertion. Never be sloppy or act like this is a big competition against others or yourself. We are all different and we all reach the end giving our clients permanent hair removal no matter what our speed factor is like.
Electrolysis is like typing.
If you concentrate on accuracy, and rhythm, you can’t help but get faster over time. A person who works at this for 50 years can’t help but attain a certain speed if one paid attention to detail and challenged one’s abilities every now and then.
One thing I must say, however, is that it has been my experience that one must work with the client’s abilities as well. many times I find that the client can’t even sit for the fastest work that I can perform, which is especially bothersome when that person who can’t keep still has the nerve to complain about “how few hairs” I have removed at the end of the session, when it was my adjusting to their abilities that lowered our yield.
It doesn’t matter if you can do this work accurately like a sewing machine if the client can’t stand it. (or should I say, sit for it, or lay still for it, as the case may be.)
Recently, I have started work on a client who is a very heavy smoker. So much so, that she is gasping with every breath she takes. There is a lot of movement, so the best I can do is, time my insertions for every exhalation when she is relatively “still”. Hairs removed per minute is greatly reduced, but she can’t hold still no matter how hard she tries. She can’t do longer than 30 minute appointments either because she needs to smoke. I’ll get her cleared eventually, but it is very frustrating not to be able to do what I know can be done in much less time.
WoW! A cig every 30 minutes. That is what the tobacco companies call maximum dependence. If you were sitting at her house, she would probably light one up every 5 minutes. Her hydration and vitamin C levels must be abysmal.
I understand very well when James says you can not work more slowly than your hands want. It is as if your hands want to work at a pace faster than your own will.
When you have several years of experience, it is as if the needle should know the way forward and insertions occur automatically. I can not explain this another way, but it is something like driving a car. At first, all your senses are alert, after a while, you wonder: how I reached my destination if I was thinking about other things?
Why engineers strive to design machines that can remove hair (any size) in less than a second, if we strive to use more than one second?
Continuing the example: Imagine you have a Ferrari in the garage (the Platinum). Now, imagine that we have a F1 racetrack (the leg of a boy with all virgin hair). The Ferrari can reach 325 km / hour, and we will circulate to 60 km / hour?
The enthusiasm has made me rush, but I can correct, it may not be realistic to say that we can all achieve the 2000 hairs per hour.
Indeed we are not hummingbirds, but this is the age of speed and if someone gives us wings, why not fly?
The speed should be the last of the skills we should covet, but when we reached all our goals, insertions very precise, high degree of effectiveness, etc., to improve our speed is the only thing we can offer the customer if we continue to have the sufficient motivation.