Pro-tec / Apilus

Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
#21

Hello Hair Tell
As per requested I posted on the blog section of our website, www.aesth.com, the Multiplex modality with the Pro-tec probes.
I hope this will help!
See below:

http://www.aestheticssystems.com/182.blog

Thanks to you all,

Johanne Fortier

#22

Hello Johanne. It’s a luxury to have your participation in Hairtell.

I have a couple questions if you are so kind to answer:

  1. The values that you have shown in the image are indicated for level 0 of legs. In the picture we can only appreciate the value of the last Picoflash pulse , what is the value of slow thermolysis? and, do not you think that the level 0 correspond to hairs can be removed with lower els?

  2. I have understood that you recommend not to increase the intensity above 12% because it will dessiccate and we want to do is coagulate it. This statement contradicts your other recommendation (with which I agree) on whether we increase the time it will be more painful, in my experience, we can coagulate the hair with 75% intensity in slow thermolysis, ie, the maximum allowed by the machine, lowering to the minimum time allowed by the machine, ie, 0,1 s.

Congratulations to Dectro engineers because they have achieved something that seemed impossible a priori, one thing I’ve never experienced on the machines that I had tried so far. Coagulate a follicle deep in a split second.

The Electrolysis of this century is not a turtle, this is a beautiful hummingbird!

#23

Regarding your first question, the picture is only a stock photo from the manufacture, not an actual setting. When you select a setting, the numbers you will see will be different. The % and timing can be seen on the left of the screen for the pulse of PicoFlash. To see the actual value for the slow Thermolysis you need to press on the wavelength key (a squiggle with a line going through it found just under the e.l.). Usually for the Platinum the slow Thermolysis used for the Multiplex modality is around 8% and around 16% with the SX-500 and SENIOR II. These settings change minimally with the different settings, but always stay fairly low.
As far as your second point, you are definitely right, it is possible to use straight slow Thermolysis to coagulate a hair, but the point of Multiplex is to use the slow Thermolysis to bring moisture to the follicle and use the high frequency to coagulate. If the levels of slow Thermolysis were too high, it would do the coagulating and the high frequency would not spread any further (which is the point to begin with). Does that make sense? So when using Multiplex, I would not recommend raising the slow Thermolysis to higher levels since it would be counterproductive to the technique.

Hope that clarified things!
Johanne

#24

Hi Dee, interested to know how the Pro-Tec compares to the Laurier IBP. I am really enjoying the results I’m seeing with the IBP, think it would be hard to beat.

#25

Mairi, I don’t know the answer yet. I will have to use the Pro-Tec many times, on several cases, before I can decide. I have done a lot of work with the Laurier IBP probes and have concluded that they are top shelf. I am so very grateful that Mike Roy stays close to us and teaches us about his product. He is willing to redesign a probe to customize it for certain areas! I don’t know much about the “bones” of Pro-Tec and how they differ from the Laurier IBP yet, so I am not the best person to answer your question.

#26

The final (I think, pending your opinions) version of the 4.5’s are done. They just need to be packed and sterilized. Dee, you should see them next week and Mairi’s will take a bit longer.

I’ll keep you posted -Mike

#27

Im curious Laurier, will there be a 4.5 short as well?

#28

Thanks for the clarification, Johanne. Today I checked the pre-set parameters and effectively, you are absolutely right. Level 0 leg just over fifty ELs. The truth is I do not usually use the presets, which is why I am not very familiar with them.

Regarding Multiplex system, I do not know if the slow thermolysis can bring moisture to follicle, (if you say, there must be a good reason), but I know that if you can coagulate in tenth of a second, everything else is superfluous. It’s fun to play with the mouse you have caught before killing him, but more fun and profitable is kill as many as you can. The multiplex system is by far the fastest and painless for all types of thermolysis I have worked, but yes, using its full potential, ie reducing the maximum time (0.1 s for slow thermolysis 001 s for Picoflash) and up the intensity to achieve the necessary els.

Furthermore, if you use a high quality insulated probe (I have not had the pleasure of trying the Pro-tec) and hydrate the skin a few hours before starting treatment, you can reach incredible speeds with as little pain as it takes to be deadly effective.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and your time. This is greatly appreciated.

#29

If you refer to the tip length boy1989, yes. The version about to be tested we’ve made in two exposed tip lengths 1.1mm and 1.3mm. The pro’s have expressed a need for a shorter tip for uses I had not expected but the longer tip is needed for deep hair such as a man’s back. We have settled on an overall length halfway between our medium and long lengths 5.55mm and 6.35mm, they are 5.95mm. To produce it in our short length, 4.76mm, would make the taper too steep and the diameter too large at insertion depth. I also suspect it would make it difficult for the operator to feel the bottom of the follicle

#30

Hi Johanne,
I have a professional question for you.
I have an African American client who came to me with very distorted follicles and a lot of ingrown hairs.
I would like to know how you would treat this clientele.
Is it possible to bring her skin back to normal?
I’m using the Platinum with the Pro-Tec TH probe.
Thanks so much

#31

Hi JoElectro,

This is a great question. These hairs can certainly be a challenge and can take a long time to treat but with persistence and good technique you can achieve great results.
As per your request, here are some before and after photographs of a client I recently treated with similar hairs.

I’ve described my technique below.

I used an Apilus Platinum with a Pro-Tec insulated 3BL to start.

When I began I used the Multiplex modality with no displacement because the hair was distorted.
[image]http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv219/jdubart/Aesthetics%20Systems/photo1.jpg[/image]

It took 15 hours of treatment over the course of 6 months to get the results that you see in the second image attached.

Now when I work with her I use the Pico Flash technique with Pro-Tec insulated 3Th probes as the hairs are now straight.

To get the skin back to normal my client used Gala products to heal and restore the skin. She used Exoderm for exfoliating, 3x a week. She used Ombra crème to protect the color of the skin and Yi-zhiBaume for the healing process.

In between treatments I did a couple Vita Peel microdermabrasion treatments to help with the exfoliation process and remove the ingrown hairs.

[image]http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv219/jdubart/Aesthetics%20Systems/photo.jpg[/image]

My client had to come every week and could not skip a week in order to get the clearing. Because the hair is so distorted, when the hair starts to grow it gets stuck under the skin. We need to be able to grab the hair as soon as it comes up from the skin which at this point was on a weekly basis. It’s because of this that she had developed the brown bumps.

Hope this will help.
Johanne

#32

Very nice work Johanne, as always :), I’m sure your client is greatful and happy now!

#33

This is very challenging work, but all can see that there is hope for the worse cases. The second picture matches what I see after the hairs have been treated properly, when one presents with a severe hair problem and damaged skin like this. I have found that the
hyperpigmentation does fade within three to twelve months after the hair is removed. I would hate to guess how many sterile lancets may have been used for this case? It is heartbreaking when I first see clients like this, but the good news is, they can be restored to better skin, minus that devil hair. High compliments to you dear Johanne!

#34

Wonderful work, worthy of a master, yes sir!

#35

Hi Mairi
I heard that Laurier IBP probes are non-disposable.
How can you compare a disposable probe to a non-disposable probe?
I don’t see how I could work on a client with tremendous ingrown hairs for hours, then clean and sterilize the probe, then use it the next day on a new client. With all the various blood viruses that exist it seems dangerous to me.
I’m surprised there is still a market for multi use probes.

#36

Thanks Johanne for this detailed description of working with the multiplex on such clients. My client is suffering from the same ingrown hairs. I really appreciate this tutorial.

Dee, thanks for your post and for mentioning the average time for the hyper pigmentation to fade. I have seen a good amount of hyper pigmentation that clients get from tweezing the hairs before coming to see me. It can be tricky.

#37

It can! I will post some pictures soon that match your comments. Chicago bound at the moment.

#38

Hi Mairi
I heard that Laurier IBP probes are non-disposable.
How can you compare a disposable probe to a non-disposable probe?
I don’t see how I could work on a client with tremendous ingrown hairs for hours, then clean and sterilize the probe, then use it the next day on a new client. With all the various blood viruses that exist it seems dangerous to me.
I’m surprised there is still a market for multi use probes.
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I suggest you take another look at our website…that excuse is long gone… :wink:

#39

I am forced to agree though, one cannot compare a handmade Probe to a mass produced needle.

#40

WOW!!

Johanne…Your work is wonderful…gives me hope!!! Thanks for the pictures. My legs are worse than her neck. Hope I’ll be able to get rid of the hair and folliculitis one day.