Platinum Pure Settings & Tech Support Users Group

Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
#21

There is SO MUCH control over this machine, that I believed this forum needed to be started. I believe it will take many thousand more insertions before I can even approach competency. On the other hand I am a fast learner, and have plenty of willing test subjects.

The pain was EXTREMELY bad on those higher settings… No client would be able to tolerate it, and I still question why it has the capabilities that it does when so many of them seem outside the range of useful.

In the settings dance you describe, for the coarsest hair on a man’s chest, are you exceeding the recommended UL (80) and EL (300 with insulated probes)(according to the 39 page User’s Guide) routinely? I just don’t see any way around this.

#22

That’s what everybody does. Including the training programs. Now, their experience obviously gives them a leg up, like “oh, don’t even waste your time starting this low”, but the Thomas Edisons and Ben Franklins and George Washington Carvers in this forum are perfecting their settings on their own through TRIAL and ERROR. This intellectual property is partly what I’m trying to tap in this forum.

#23

Lye with Multiplex? No, that’s not lye, I believe that with these values that you see, is a bomb exploding inside the follicle.

To set more than one or two tenths of a second you do not have to invest in a Apilus Platinum, you can do the same with any other machine. The uniqueness of Apilus Platinum is that you can coagulate the largest follicle and deep, in one or two tenths of a second.
The key is to produce one or two shots in the exact location of the anchorage zone.
You should buy the book by Mr. Bono, “The Blend Method”. This book will give you all the keys.

#24

[quote=“beate_r”]

And the time interval between the pulses? Can it also be varied?

Beate [/quote]

Sorry I was not so clear on this. For sure the length of the pulse can be adjusted - I assumed that was a known factor. I did mean the interval between the pulses can be adjusted. That shortening the length between pulses is especially helpful and reduces sensation for that center upper lip area. Example of this would be the difference in saying “beep beep” and saying “b’deep” both of them being two pulses.

Also - when you do add pulses on this epilator, the pre-set length of the pulse will become quicker on its own. Therefore, you may want to adjust the timing of the pulse up a number or two - to return it to the number that you have already selected.

#25

I will confess to being concerned about not having control when I got my original Fischer, since the epilator does some self-adjusting when you increase or decrease settings…That concern was soon assuaged.

I have asked the Fischer guys why they still have knobs - I love the flat panel of the Dectro epilators for the infection prevention factor. Clean and disinfect - easy. Their reason for still having them was the ease of adjustment…

I’m with Dee on the avoidance of too many pulses, but I do go up to three occasionally. Something I learned that’s not in the manual - the synchro does pulse - 100 times in that split second!!

#26

Alopecialist, there are hairs of different thicknesses in the same area, some hairs need 1 shot and others need 2.
If I’m wrong, please, feel free to correct any expert, but I think the automatic mode (without pedal) does not allow this.

Here you can see and hear …

#27

BTW, is the formula for the E.L. units documented somewhere?

Beate

#28

Documented or just given as a formula?

I have a card with the parameters…

#29

Hello!
I use Platinum Pure, and my clients and I love it very much.
I don’t usually write anything on this forum, just reading a lot, but I had a urge to jump in this time.
So forgive me for jumping in so suddenly.

I am so fortunate that I am close to my friend, Johanne. She is THE expert on this matter and has taught me a lot.
So here is a few things I wanted to share.
Sure there are much more, but I think this is good place to start.

Setting standard;
for fine hair 100 EL or 15 UL
for medium hair 200 EL or 45 UL
for coarse hair 300 EL or 60 UL

I would say these are almost highest numbers I use.
I hardly ever use EL higher than 260. (maybe because I use insulated probe only.)

Also, I hardly ever use more than 2 pulses.
For deep hair it is effective to use probe displacement method, one pulse at papilla and another pulse at bulge area.
You can adjust delay between pulses according to your displacement speed.
Sometime you need 2 pulse without displacement for shallow hair, then you need less delay time.
Either way, both pulse power is automatically decreased by 20%. (so EL is not doubled)

When you change EL using power increase, the coagulation happen wider at the base of the follicle. (or wherever the tip of probe is)
When you increase time, the coagulation happen longer toward the surface.
So, shallow hair you can use less time with more intensity.
The hair with strong deep big bulb, intensity increase may work better than increasing time.
That is how I adjust my setting, most of the time I change time, since it does not jump up the EL.

As for probe, concentration of energy is much more intense with the insulated probe.
That is why you reduce intensity when using insulated probe.
You don’t have to change probe setting at all, I never do.
You just use low setting from the beginning.
For example, I may use chin 4 with regular prove, but chin 3 with insulated probe.
But to be honest with you, I only use insulated probe.

I was told that the powerful machine with insulated probe is sometime difficult.
The coagulation is so pin point.
You really have to be precisely at right place, otherwise you may coagulate surrounding tissue too much or cut the hair in follicle.
Everyone will agree that GOOD INSERTION is the key to success.
Johanne is really strict about Insertion and Positioning.
As matter of fact she is offering a class beginning of next year and I am planning to attend it. When I know the detail of the classes, I will let you know if you are interested.
(So, let me know if you are interested.)

WOW, it is too long of the post.
I am so sorry to take up so much space.
I hope I did not make too many mistake with my English writing.
I will be quiet now like usual for a while at least…

Have a great Holiday!

#30

I’d love to know the E.L. formula as well, and learn how to use it so I can compare my settings on the SM-500 with what James uses on his Platinum. (Using thermolysis, micro vs. picoflash)

#31

Dear Barbara

What Do You mean by documented?

Ideal for a transfer of the approach to other epilators would, of course, be the formula with explanation of properties and principle, but if the terms of the formula are more or less self explaining (what i expect) that would also be fully sufficient.

BTW: i do not expect to be able to map it one by one (13.5 MHz vs. 27 MHz is a major difference probaby affecting the field around the probe), just want to see the underlying principle.

#32

Hello Beate,

I wasn’t sure if you were meaning the formula or how they came about writing the formula. The latter is what I would think means to explain “the formula for the E.L. units documented somewhere?” And THAT is what I wondered, too! I have wondered: How did they come up with this formula? (but never asked before!) I have not memorized the “formula” so would find it (or someone else would jump in) if that is what you were asking about.

#33

Natsuko - Please do not apologize for your post! There is plenty of space here - there’s even room for more!!! And thank you especially for your great information and clarification.

I don’t know if there is a difference in humidity, or just the fact that here in Kansas we have women who grow hairs the size of redwood trees - but I have had to turn this baby up to 400 on those coarse hairs to get them out. Any techniques that would enable me to turn it down and still get them out would be welcomed. (PS: They are often red hairs, too!)

#34

Ah, my dear Natsuko:

thanks for joining in. Feel free to share any and all your insights, and ask any questions.

I must say, however, that if you have never crested 300 e.L.'s, then I will bet dollars to donuts that you have never worked on a man’s beard, or for that matter, a woman who has waxed or plucked problem hairs for years. :wink:

Also, to answer an earlier question, the changes one makes don’t change the factory pre-sets. One can always go back to the pre-sets, just by redialing them up (chin, 6, for instance) The only place one can “Make Settings” is in the User Settings section where one can create and save one’s own special settings for frequent use.

#35

Hello Barbara,

In my first contact with the machine a few months ago i recognized that this was a nonlinear relationship, as expected from the underlying physical process (thermal activation basically depends exponentially on the input of energy). But i am not completely sure if it is that simple, because the field of the needle changes/develops with the pulse time.

Anyway, something that should be documented, at least IMO. We need to know what we are doing if we really want to be abe to control (and fully utilize) such a machine. (And an equivalent formula would be helpful in the work with the smaller serious machines like the apilus junior and above.

Beate

#36

I am less interested in formula’s - I am just glad the Apilus Platinum exists and so are my clients who know the difference.

Worked a long case in Synchro today. Fabulous skin reaction. The hairs were the very coarse and very white anagen hairs with huge root sheaths. All you electrologists know exactly what I’m talking about. Slipped out like they were greased with olive oil. I used an insulated size 6 Ballet probe. Started low and gradually worked up for most hairs and finished lower for the fewer smaller hairs. In my experience of working on these strongly rooted hairs, Synchro is a bomb and destruction is pretty complete. Less regrowth. It is an option worth paying for if you get the Pure as opposed to the Platinum.

#37

James,

Is that mean you owe me dollars? or Donuts? :grin:
I did not learn that English expression in my ESL class

I know I should not say never, anyway…

#38

In some areas of my beard, it took in excess of 1000-1200eL :o I can only imagine how high it would have to be in the hands of a less skilled electrologist!

#39

Please can somebody help! I am having problems working out the settings for picoflash, i want to find that nice balance between the timing and power. How can I work this out?

Also i find the hair is breaking inside what can i be doing wrong?

#40

The balance between time and power is determined by tolerance to pain, skin moisture and skin sensitivity to your client.
So, you must begin programming milliseconds, eg, .002 s /with a high intensity 99% and 6 pulses (118 E.L). With these values, your client do not feel pain, but only fine hairs can be successfully treated like the border upper lip on women.

In less sensitive areas such as cheeks, .005 s /with an average intensity of 69% and 5 pulses (119 E.L)