platinum pre sets

Professionals Only! Electrologist to Electrologist (pros only)
#1

I have a question for anyone who is currently using an Apilus platinum.

When you are working do you use the pre sets on your machine or do you create your own levels/settings ? (I’m not talking about making small adjustments to the pre sets themselves ie tweaking the timing or the energy,). I’m asking about ignoring the pre sets altogether and setting the machine up in any given mode (pico,multi,synchro) but with settings that don’t resemble the pre sets at all ie in multiplex 0.1@35% and .001@99% giving 139els and using one or more pulses.

Has anyone else tried this setting or a very similar one and how did you find it? I believe Josefa identified this level to me and she uses it herself.

I’m wondering about using pico at low energy but with multiple pulses and moving the probe within the follicle. The machine can obviously be set to 9 pulses on auto and by releasing the pedal early you could manage the pulses manually but do away with the need to keep pressing the pedal.

I’m pretty sure you can’t do this with multiplex because setting multiple pulses in auto only pulses the pico part of the mode.

I am aware that the synchro mode already releases multiple pulses, I think from memory 100+ ? I’m just trying to think outside of the box and get some other opinions on this…

#2

Hi Folli, if no one responds, I will do it, but it will be tomorrow after the morning coffee. :wink:

#3

Bless you, Follizap, for adopting an independent attitude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U205OKSrKAg&list=UUC9-eeB3Y_vk5cCAqcqWKxg&index=1

Follizap, you have a great machine with which you can do all sorts of combinations. Why walk when you have wings to fly? They say the rules were created to break them, well, my friend, in this video I broke the rules and removed the Pico from Multiplex, I remember that the work was done with 139 els (ONLY ONE PEDAL PRESSURE), so I could have used the automatic mode without pedal, but it did not.

I’m pretty disappointed with the last article in the magazine of Dectro, “7 Keys to Successful Permanent Hair Removal”. After listening as Johanne Fortier says telogen hairs were their favorite hairs in DVDs of the last symposium, I thought things had changed, just to find out in this article by Karine Beaumont that things remain the same.

[color:#000099]
“When choosing photoepilation or electrolysis,
it is very important to plan treatments so as to
allow for a maximum number of hairs to be synchronized
into the anagen phase. You should
normally allow for an interval of 3 to 8 weeks
between treatments, depending on the area being
treated and how quickly your client’s hair
grows back.[/color]”

“[color:#990000]Based on your observations, you
will be able to choose the most appropriate treatment
option for your client. It is not up to the client
to make this choice. You must provide each
of your clients with advice regarding suitable
treatments. For example, electroepilation (electrolysis)
is more effective than photoepilation for
both dark-skinned patients and those with blond
hair. On the other side, if your client has dark hair
and pale skin or a large region to treat, photoepilation
would maybe a quicker way to treat. In
many cases, it is very effective to combine several
methods of hair removal.[/color]”

These words were like daggers to my old heart. I feel sorry for the good people of Dectro, but that’s how I feel.

Can someone explain to me why you’re going to invest 12,000 € to the cost of a Apilus Platinum in Spain, to recommend photoepilation if your customers need to remove large areas?

And also, can anyone tell me how we can predict the results, combining photoepilation and electroepilation?

#4

If you say something that doesn’t agree with the stuff written in books, people say you don’t know what you are talking about. this doesn’t mean that you are, in fact, incorrect. Just ask school children who need to get the correct answer in physics class on the time it would take for a stone to free fall from the top of a building of a certain height, the melting point of steel, and the temperature given off by a kerosine fire but then have to give a different and contradictory answer when they get to History class down the hall that same day. :wink:

#5

James, for schoolchildren is easier, they can use “crib sheet”. We would need a crystal ball to guess the correct answer.

#6

First of all, Josefa and a few others (Dee) others gave me some very precious hints when i was about learning the platinum. These should be somewhere deep in the “Diary of a European Guy”.

That’s a reasonable point to start from. Anyway, at 139 EL i usually lower the pico pulse to 89% (and to 79% well below 100 ELs) in order not to dry out the follicle too much. And i usually adjust the setting to release the hair with one or two (displaced) pulses.

When i do thicker and deeper hairs than about 200 ELs my preferred setting is synchro at a pulse length between 0.2 to 0.33 s and an appropriate intensity. In that range, clients tend to feel less sensation at 0.2 s, but the side effects are usually larger than they are at 0.33 s.

Quite recently i have started to try out very short synchro pulses of just 0.05 - 0.1 s. These are more or less only usable on telogen hairs since it is almost impossible to move the tip accurately and sufficiently through the follicle in that short time - so no displacement at all. But it is easy and fast to switch back and forth to that setting from “normal” synchro.

At least in the 60-80 EL range this seems to be even more comfortable than pico, at least according to the report of the client i tried that last week (i actually tried multi an pico in comparison, but needed slightly larger ELs).

#7

Freefall, kerosine and the melting point of steel, I know exactly what you mean. Those are an uncomfortable set of numbers that are hard to ignore and to this day I cannot get past them. Such information makes you wonder about a lot of the things that we are told as being true by the powers that be…
There is a brilliant word for destroying any credibility when such arguments arise, Conspiracy. Just the mention of that word against Any topic can destroy a rational argument or standpoint. I watched an interesting program on the moon landings the other day…

#8

When I went through the settings in Synchro I was surprised to see just how high the els go in some of the programs. I know it’s multiple pulses per press of the pedal but even in the space of .26 seconds I wonder how much time separates each pulse and are these gaps in energy delivery actually going to be beneficial or measurable in the way they effect a follicle. It makes me wonder about freefall, the melting point of steel and kerosine all over again.
I like the idea of a tone at the end of a pulse and using more than one pulse where required. I think this might allow for better placement. I’d worry about just how accurately I could continuously move the probe in a fraction of a second as we’re supposed to do. I can’t help thinking that moving and stopping before moving again might be a better approach, certainly for a mere mortal like me.
It’s no surprise that dectro are saying about the effectiveness of combining methods when I think I’m right in saying they do supply an IPL type machine of their own. It’s all about marketing. Same thing as including blend methods on the platinum, pretty much redundant but good for keeping the price nice and high. Why no machine with just Pico, Multi and Synchro?
There’s another nail in my own coffin :wink:

#9

That’s exactly what I thought! As I am thinking about to be an electrologist, I even wrote Dectro asking why they do not produce 27 Mhz Apilus Thermolysis machine. But they seemed not to be interested in producing cheaper 27 Mhz Thermolysis machine without galvanic.

#10

Why should they? If You are going to start into electrology You might buy a simple manual thermolysis machine and learn manually controlled flash (after learning slow thermolyis - both can be done in Germany). Once Your business has been established You will be able to afford the Platinum.

As to the platinum: somewhere in the specs, Dectro lists the pulse frequency. Now consider my info that each pulse takes three sinusoindal wiggles and that “99%” corresponds to 12.5 V at a load of 1 kOhms and You have everything You might want to know.

#11

I would suggest that one start out with a machine that is capable of galvanic, blend, and thermolysis. If one is in business, this is really a necessity. Don’t limit your ability to provide your customers/clients/patients with what they need. Those machines are also frequently the same price as many thermolysis only units.