Is the length short/medium/long the length of the non-insulated tip, or the entire length of the probe? Also, how long can one use a probe before the insulation wears off? I am hoping that TES has some that are expired so I can buy a few different sizes.
Is the picture in the post above a bulbous tip? It certainly looks like a quality probe, some of the insulated probes I’ve looked at under high magnification I can’t see the insulation where as it’s pretty obvious on these but I can’t see the bulge…
The bulbous tip is why the insulation does not protrude beyond the profile of the tip. The insulation is installed behind the bulbous tip. Thus the smooth insertion.
The length refers to the overall length of the finished Probe S= 3/16" M=7/32" L= 1/4". Again, the exposed tip length is proportional to the diameter of the Probe.
Follizap, probably you can see better here, I have taken 3 pictures of different needles. One is the IBP, the other is a standard straight needle (non-insulated), and the third is a two-piece needle non-insulated. I used a program to highlight the outline of each needle. I think this explains why with a bulbous needle, insertion is less painful.
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If you have the chance to try one of these needles, you will see that it is very difficult to bend. Imagine a sword with a safety cap on the tip, will bend when it encounters an obstacle but will return to its site because the blade is flexible. Well, this is something similar to what happens with this.
Templje, the last day I worked with this needle, I was doing 4 hours and a half in one only session. When I finished, the probe was intact! It was a pity to throw it so I cleaned, put it in an eppendorf and gave it to my client to return with it to Holland from where she came, who knows, maybe her local electrologist want to reuse (pre-sterilized, of course).
Ok I get it. In my head the tip was more rounded as in Mikes book but from memory I think that example was uninsulated. From the original picture of the “002 favourite” I think perhaps it’s more squared and straight. I was struggling to move past what was my interpretation of bulbous. I have no doubt that these needles are cutting edge what’s the easiest way to source them in the UK?
Currently the easiest way to buy Laurier probes in the EU seems to be ordering from Prestige and paying via Credit Card.
Beate
Specify sterile packaging.
I started a young man’s back yesterday. (Yes, I know, it was Sunday, but I had to move his Saturday appointment In order to be dragged to a football game in 97 degree heat, but I digress). Mike, I used your probe from the new sterile packaging, and had a great time removing hair. Thanks again for taking this up to sterile packaging. It has to be this way.
The test on the arm. Results 5 months after the first clearance. Enough lead time to get some conclusions:
1.- The test proves that scabs are unneeded to get excellent results.
2.- The percentage of regrowth in area is proportional to the percentage of hairs in exogenous phase, ie, empty follicles which can not be treated by the absence of a guide hair.
3.- The proportion is:
15% no-treated follicles in the first time,
85% treated (telogen, the vast majority)
15% false regrowth and
85% results in the first session.
September 2011, before second clearance.
September 2011, a few minutes later…
I would love Lucy Peters read this post, I read the study she did in collaboration with Dr. Kligman and is VERY, VERY interesting. It is a pity she decided not to treat hairs in telogen, the false myth that Electrolysis is not effective at this phase could have been shot down in the 80’s.
30 years later, this accursed myth remains the norm for many of our colleagues, and this is confusing to consumers about the true results of Electrolysis.
However, she managed to leave all the skeptics (including Kligman himself) convinced of the amazing miracle of Electrolysis. Congratulations Lucy!
I am now paying more attention when I treat telogen hairs, and am inclined to agree, that because it takes more current to release these hairs, there seems to be less regrowth. It is easier to assess with body hair.
It is actually just the opposite, Christine. As a rule, if you go to work primarily in telogen hairs, you must set very conservative parameters for no overtreating skin. Since you can not change settings when you see one of the follicles is in the anagen, you must double click on the pedal. The telogen hair will slide easily with a touch of pedal, while you need to double by anagen hair because the area needed for the permanent removal is twice as well. The humidity inside the follicle is a very important factor to set the intensity and time, but the extent of the target tissue is equally important.
On the face, you can also easily see if the area has been untouched for several months, the case Stoppit’s sister is a clear example. There is nothing extraordinary in my procedure, the key is “wait” and “clear”. Do not leave behind not a single follicle capable of producing a hair.
Most certainly a pearl of advice here! On our epilators, ladies, MultiPlex and PicoFlash offer awesome possibilities for slowly warming the telogen white ball of hard, dry protein to moisten the area to open up the follicle, so the client does not feel a tug. The tug can really ouch and set off a series of sneezes if this work is being done under the nose especially. In MultiPlex, the slow cooking with thermolysis, followed by the “quick like a bunny” PicoFlash is great for those telogen hairs that are super glued into the follicle. Synchro works as well. I am very conservative with the levels, though.
I should mention for the readers here, If you have questions, feel free to contact me through the web page. That mail comes directly to me and I will be happy to answer any questions I can about the Probe for you. Please disregard the phone number field on the form, I’m having that removed shortly.
-Mike
Mike Roy, one of my customers has noticed a curious thing. He is very prone to develop sebaceous papules due to the Electrolysis (for those who do not know, this is a temporary side effect). Well, as I said, my client was one of the volunteers who underwent the test in the hands and a small part of the arm. It is clear that in areas that have been made with the needle IBP, these little bumps do not have appeared. I have seen for myself, so inevitably I have thought about the study by Lucy Peters. In this comparative study, the sebaceous glands were less affected in follicles treated with IBP for follicles that were treated with a bare needle, and this may be the reason for the absence of papules sebaceous? if some of my colleagues could confirm or deny this it would lay the groundwork for a new conclusion in the study of Lucy. And most importantly, customers have avoided this:
Josefa, what you are seeing is proof the insulation is working. By confining the release of the RF energy to the follicle area you are eliminating treatment to areas that have nothing to do with the production of the hair. I have yet to test another insulation which can provide the coaxial containment needed to do this. Our insulation allows you to deliver enough power to the follicle while minimizing irritation to the areas above, and unneeded discomfort to the patient. There is about a 10 percent leakage designed into the Probe’s shaft to loosen the hair at the normal treatment levels used for an effective kill using pure RF.
To answer another question I am getting, yes we do sell direct wholesale with a 12 dz. minimum order (any mix of sizes) and we pay the shipping. Please PM or e-mail for details.
May I add, now that they are pre-sterilized and individually packed, they are now legal to use in the UK and elsewhere.
The sideburns of a young woman. Right sideburn 75 minutes, left sideburn 45 minutes. Multiplex System (Apilus Platinum), 002 short (IBP Laurier). Area with virgin hair.
In one week the skin will do well for my client to wear a ponytail beautiful in her beautiful hair. 
Super lovely, speedy, skillful work! - something savvy hair removal consumers want. Our world is on high speed whether we approve or not and hair removal is no different. This is what good tools and well engineered thermolysis modalities can do for the hairy. Jossie, you are blessing to our profession. Little sister is on her way.
Thanks Dee. Discover Hairtell (thanks to Barbara and yourself) has been the best thing ever happened in my career. I was a regular user of a Spanish professional forum, that’s where I tried to change the fatal course it was taking our profession.
To be honest, I managed to stir up some excitement in some of my Spanish colleagues who years ago had abandoned the practice of Electrolysis, but little else, my words sounded like the Aramaic for my countrymen. I threw the towel when I discovered I had a place here for me. Here I feel at home and although I still do not master your language, I feel that we speak the same language.
I like to think my contributions keep hope in the hairy people, and my pictures are shown reflecting the thousands of your posts and by James.
I also like to think I’m helping to restore the prestige it deserves Electrolysis.
Maybe I’m asking too much, but trust me, dear, I’ll keep trying.
Manufacturers such as Mike Roy or Dectro, or anyone willing to bet on the Electrolysis have my full support and I am eternally grateful to them.
Josefa: Your English is fantastic! It has been wonderful to have new people participating!!
If only the AEA website was this active… Or has it been? I need to get over there and check it out. We have many great electrologists who are AEA members and I wish they would share some stories and insights on a regular basis.