looking good josefa,keep up the good work.
I am curious. You sterilize the needle before the client leaves or when the client returns?Barbara, can you tell me who else makes an insulated needle that can be heat sterilized ? I’m curious.
Mike
I’m clueless on this…not sure HOW this needle is being sterilized in an electrology practice.
As I understand it the manufacturer must provide the electrologist with the details. All other insulated needles are pre-sterilized and disposable. That is the best practice.
How an electrologist runs their practice is absolutly none of my buisness, and I do not disagree with you.
But that was not my question, let me reword it.
Can you tell me what brands of insulated needle are capable of withstanding heat sterilization ?
I am curious. You sterilize the needle before the client leaves or when the client returns? [/quote]
When the client returns, Barbara.
I admit it’s easier and faster for us, throwaway, but the advantages of these needles are worth the effort. I quite understand your concern for security, and I deeply admire the work you do. No way, we must step back, but cross contamination is impossible here, since the client never shared needle. There is never room for error, because the needle is personal. When a patient is to undergo surgery, he or she is confident that the sterilization of instruments has been carried out correctly. For Electrology must be the same.
I want to make a comparison with other insulated needles because so far I’ve only been able to compare with another brand. But one thing I am convinced, I will not give up quality in the design of this needle by a non-existent risk, and my customers either. Currently I am working on the beard of a young man. The hairs of this boy have deep roots about 4 or 5 mm deep. With melanin that is in the roots of these hairs, you can write on a sheet of paper, this is unbelievable!. Well, the reaction on the surface of the skin is almost zero. The inflammation lasts 24 hours, he can confirm this. The difference with respect to a bare needle is abysmal.
I have asked myself, what kind of the needle would I use if my client was a movie star or someone whose image depends on the work of his life? is easy to guess. This guy is very, very handsome, the problem is that it is hidden by excess hair. When he finished treatment, I want his skin look exactly like when he was 10.
A small example of the treatment with Laurier probe. 24 hours after the last session. Nobody can guess that something has happened there.
I agree that the IB Laurier is the best probe that I have ever used. In an earlier post, Michael Bono says that he believes that the effect is treating a larger area in the follicle. Yep.
This is my take on it:
because of its bulbous tip, the treatment energy is dispersing in a greater diameter than it could with a non-bulbous tip. Imagine a straight stick. Now image a round balloon. When you bring in energy, the area surrounding the stick is limited to that smaller area. Now imagine a balloon. WIth that balloon, the gradient area is now widened.
These probes require so much prep. time that I limit its use to a few select people (friends and family). If they were blistered packed disposables, I would use them for everyone.
Can I ask how they are sterilised if not with an autoclave?
That is what we use. A Tutenauer autoclave is used on them before they are packed. There is also the issue of custody. When the operator resterilizes them before use, that eliminates any chance of contamination between our hands and the patient.
Mike
Ah, I see. Now I understand the following:
As a client, I don’t see any problem.
Excellent probes and I would not mind paying a little more for an electrologist to use them.
So the client comes in 30 minutes early so you can run the autoclave before their treatment?
I haven’t tried these since the 1980’s. Has the bulbous shape changed? Could you post some photos of them through a microscope? I have a picture from memory, but that was many years ago.
I don’t know how much they cost now, but I would be using them as disposables… For one thing my state requires that electrology needles NOT be reused.
They are the same design and price as they were in 1970 Barbara. Nothing has changed.
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So the client comes in 30 minutes early so you can run the autoclave before their treatment? [/quote]
Yes, Barbara. Many clients come an hour early to apply the anesthetic cream. I also discarded Laurier needles after use, as in the case of Stopit sister, fortunately we were able to get much performance (few hours). You’ll be pleased to know that everything we use is disposable. Sheets of paper, hand paper towel, masks, gloves, sterile gauze aftercare feet. We never use the tweezers to remove ingrown hairs, we use disposable needles.
We have a sink in each cabin work (4 total), with a special faucet with a long handle to close the tap with your elbow. I will make pictures to show you. Oh, you should know Lola (my doctor), she is very, very picky about hygiene.
We use INSTRUNET for washing hands. Bleach for floor (no carpet). ARMIL for furniture. We ventilate the cabin each morning (to prevent meningitis). We clean the filter of air conditioning machines every 15 days (to prevent Salmonella). We must be doing something right, because none of us had the flu or a common cold last winter.
Containers for contaminants and a specialized company responsible for collecting. Yes dear, I think you’d be happy to work with us.
I found this thread very interesting because I’ve had experience as a patient with facial hair needing electrolysis. When I sought treatment I was given a choice of needles but the electrologist told me her personal preference was the Laurier Insulated Probes so I went with it. She also told me I would be able to reuse the same needle for the following sessions in the weeks to come and I didn’t have any problem with that. She broke one out of a new package for me and at the end of my session she placed the needle into a tissue, then in a plastic bag and placed it into my file. Every time I came in for my visit she retrieved the needle from my file, I didn’t really watch to see if she dipped it in alcohol but I’m sure it wasn’t necessary and then she proceeded to start a new session. I paid for one needle. The sessions were painless and I went home with no reddening at all. I have to say I was impressed but then again I never experienced any other needle so I can’t compare but I can say the hair didn’t come back and that’s all I care about. I can’t imagine why anyone would get upset about a needle being used over again for many sessions as mine was. It was stored in my personal file and it was my personal needle and no one elses.
Thats the key. A probe which costs 1 EUR or less can easily included into the calculation, a probe which cost several EUR not if the hourly fee is moderate.
$2.66 (US$) is quite a bit when doing short (5-30 minutes) treatments - would mean a 3 dollar per treatment increase.
Josefa, It sounds like you have a great cleaning regimen going! I’m sure I would love working with you! (I always wish I could live in the places I’ve visited!)
I must confess…the meningitis and salmonella prevention measures have me doing some research… Isn’t salmonella a food-borne illness?
Let me pile on here, please.
So, the Laurier probe is used, the session ends, the probe goes into a sterile container, the client takes their probe home. Next session, the client brings back their probe and you sterilize the probe before beginning the next session? If this is your protocol, then I’m thinking this wouldn’t work for me. I use a dry heat sterilizer that takes an hour to run through a cycle. I do batches of tweezers at a time - not individual items. Are you disinfecting the probe or do you have a device that will sterilize the probe in 30 minutes. I, too, compliment you on having such great protocols for your office, but I’m hoping to understand the probe process concerning sterilization.
I’d tell you what I have been doing, but I don’t want to get too wordsy about that right now. Thanks Jossie for being patient to explain things. I’m not understanding this very well.
Dee