my experience so far...

i have been using the clean and easy, which is like the same thing as one touch. Anyways…so i have been using it every once in a while, like maybe once a week. i’ve used it a few times so far, no real big difference yet, but i have faith <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />but i really hope that i start seeing a difference. has anyone used the one touch or clean and easy and seen a difference yet, and if so how long, and how often did you do the treatments? thanks for any repsonses. i was always wondering if i wanted to get the stomache and nipples done if that really cost 100-500 altogether, that question is for james, or anyone who knows the answer though, i know we already touched on that question james, but i was double checking to make sure that that price was for altogether, i mean the whole thing. thanks <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

What dictates your price paid is what you need to have done, and the skill and speed of the practitioner you see, and the price that person charges. In addition to that, your co-operation with coming in on the most aggressive treatment schedule possible will also cut your overall costs in the end.

Most people don’t understand that to get the quickest and least expensive clearance on must work long and frequently to get to first clearance as soon as possible, and then work on keeping the area clear. Once one is clear, the look of being finished is there, and one needs to keep that so that the look is there, and you finish in the least possible time.

Most people get to a point of “pacifaction” and spend more money than they would have in an aggressive program when cost over all is calculated. This is because aggressive is more treatment up front instead of less t reatment, on a regular schedule in the average treatment plan.

Having said that, it is fully possible that you can be finished in $100 to $500 with the right practitioner and a hair pattern that is not seriously complicated.

I’m having trouble understanding your reasoning that doing more up front results in a lower total price paid. If I have 3000 hairs that need to be epilated, and only 800 are active at one time, it doesn’t seem to make a difference if I limit appointments to one hour per month. It will take longer to get finished, but the price paid should be similar than if I did four hours up front and tapered down. Can you explain this?

Edit: The reason I ask is because, as I replied in another thread, if I started, I would probably do an hour or two per week indefinately, moving on to new areas as areas with prior work are cleared. If this is going to up my cost, I wouldn’t use this strategy.

I should probably just let James reply, but I’ll take a stab at it: When you do a complete clearing, you’re working with hairs close together, and the repositioning time between hairs - which is significant - is lower. Thus intensive treatments to completely clear initially are the most efficient.

If the patient does not do intensive initial treatments, the electrologist does not have a clearly differentiated uncleared space within which to work.

The tactic is then to maintain clearance, which means epilating new hairs as they grow in. This has a benefit for the patient, as they get to enjoy their now permanent clearance, and benefits the electrologist, as the new hairs are growing (anagen) and easier to epilate.

In addition to all that DIY’er said, there are a few factors that lend to a quicker completion with lots of work up front that lead to fewer possible hours in the end.

The reason we can’t do too much work in a close area is “Spillover Treatment” causes nearby hairs to be damaged, and may even cause them to fall out on their own. Furthermore, the first time you have treatment, you have some hairs in the correct stage, and others that are not. Should you clear the area completely in as little time as possible, say a week to 3 weeks, your next appointment will be working with only hairs that are in growth phase, and none that are in any type of shedding phase. At this point, it takes less work to get full clearance, and each hair treated is in fact permanently removed.

When you take it an hour at a time once a month, you are for ever treating hairs that are out of phase, and just making them thinner and weaker, while catching some others in proper phase and getting permanent hair removal on those.

In short, lots of work up front lessens the cost by keeping you from treating and retreating shedding and resting hairs and therefore lowers both your treatment hours, and the total number of visits in the long run.

Although some people have started out (on HUGE major projects) by doing work daily at first, these same people drop down to weekly, and then monthly, and then once in 3 months, and then just a nit pick session 6 months later. A person doing one hour a month would always be starting from the small patch cleared, and working out from there, with the hairs in various states of growth, or would be following a plan of general thinning of the hair until it was all gone. Either way, that person would always be treating hairs that were out of phase (and thus wasting work) until they finally got to the point where they were clearing the entire area in just one hour. When electrologists work on hairs with mixed growth phases the treatment effectiveness can be as low as 20% and as high as 80%, however, if you removed all the hairs in an area over the course of 3 to 6 weeks, any hair that was seen in the week following will be in growth phase by definition. If you see it, you remove it, and you can have 100% kill rate on these. Lastly, there are fewer hairs to remove because you are only taking out the new growths. You have no hairs that are just place holders that have lost their blood supply weeks ago.

Does this make sense yet?


That was a GREAT explanation! Now I finally get it! Thanks for taking the time to spell it all out. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

i think i got a little confused here.for example, in my case that i have hair on sideburns & cheeks, what would the right the right tactic would be? to clear all the area till i reach to the desired lever of clearance as soon as possible, even if it takes to have sessions everyday and for as long as it takes to obtain that desired level of clearance? and then what? when will the hair be in anagen phase? in 3 weeks time? but some hair grow faster or slower than others so it seems to me i will need to go to the electrologist every time i see new hair and that it will take forever to finally get rid of them.

Once you get to first clearance, the most you would ever have to do is once a week. The usual situation however, is that you work to clear out the area, if there is lots of hair, close together, or a large area, one might need work more than once a week in the initial weeks, but in no more than 4 to 6 weeks, one would look finished, and then be able to go to once a week, or once every 3 to 6 weeks. At that point, hopefully, your electrologist can clear out the entire area each and every time you come in.

If your electrologist is very slow, and can’t clear it all out, you may need more frequent appointments, but you have a few weeks window to get any hair while it is still in growth stage. You just don’t want it to get outside of that window of opportunity.

Women are much easier than men. I have had only 2 women who I could not clear out to full visual clearance in the first appointment. I understand that one won’t be able to get that level of treatment in every electrology office in the world, but it is something that you can find if you look hard enough, and are willing to do what it takes to make it possible for the electrologist to do.

The average women could get total facial clearance in 1 to 6 appointments spread out over 4 to 6 weeks, in 6 to 10 hours. Men may need 20 hours or more in the first 4 to 6 weeks to get to first clearance, unless they are working with someone named Gior.

Now after saying all that, I have to go back on it by saying, this by no means is saying that you will get these results with your electrologist working on your problem in the modality which that electrologist specializes. The numbers here are based on thermolysis treatment at a good rate of speed. Blend and Galvanic won’t be this fast, and slow thermolysis, or work on difficult hair can’t be this fast either.

Is it any clearer now?

I think the main thing is to try to clear an area, and then to keep it clear with top up sessions.

Then the big question is not how many hours do you need to clear your problem area (e.g. your sideburns & cheeks), but rather how much of your problem area can you clear in one session.

If all you’ve got is, say, hairs on your top lip, then I guess you might be able to clear that in maybe an hour session(?) … follow-up sessions would get progressively further apart, and maybe shorter in duration.

However, if you have a large area and/or lots of hair very close together then it might take way more than an hour to get total clearance.
(If they’re very dense, then your electrolysist might advise against total clearance, anyway, for risk of over treating the overlap areas).

In this case, what you can do is to pick out an area that you know your electrolysist can do in just one session, and ask her to go for total clearance on only that area. When you go back for your second session, get her to over the new hairs in exactly the same area … and so on until that area’s clear.

When you’ve got the first area clear, you can move on to the next adjacent area and start all over again with that one.

As James says - getting total clearance of an area and sticking with it is the most efficient (and therefore cheapest) way of reaching your end goal of being totally hair free. I found that out to my cost: up until very recently, I used to ask my electrolysist to move to new areas each time - basically to whereever I felt the hairs were thickest and darkest.

I got there in the end, but it took a lot of time … and money.

Now my hairs are much less visible, I can concentrate on clearing one area at a time. The difference in effectiveness is remarkable!