My electrolysis experience + possible skin damage

I first decided to get electrolysis when I noticed the toll the 3+ years of plucking was taking on my skin (especially under chin area). I didn’t realize until looking into the issue that the hairs get stronger and deeper (and perhaps even multiply) each time you do so, so I finally took the plunge and I’ve been getting electrolysis for about 7 months (every week for the first 3 weeks or so, then every 2 weeks thereafter). Recently, I finally decided to go to another place because I’m not sure the place I’ve been going to has been effectively treating me. I stumbled upon information on this site saying how if you can feel resistance when the hairs are being removed, it likely means you’re not being treated effectively. I realized that I can feel my electrologist plucking them out every time. So I found another place and have gone to them twice so far.

At this new place, I’ve noticed that they take longer to get the job done. My main area of concern is my chin (especially the fleshy part under the chin), jawline, upper lip, just a few on the lower cheek area, and some stray eyebrow hair. For what I’ve got going on, my former place usually took 20 minutes, sometimes 25. Once or twice, I actually counted the number of hairs I felt removed (from just my chin and cheek area, not including upper lip–I try to just not think and go to my “happy place” during that since it’s quite painful)–and it was about 100. I didn’t count at this new place, but the amount of hair felt like about the same, maybe ever so slightly less, than usual, and I ended up going for 30 minutes the first time and 35 minutes the second. So even though the rate there is slightly less, I ended up paying more since it was more time.

That obviously meant that the new lady was working slower, which I noticed during treatment. She remarked about one hair in particular that it was especially deep and tough, but she did manage to get it out. Whereas my former electrologist just went zap-yank, zap-yank, etc. and a hair about every 10 seconds or so, this new one was more like 3 or 4 a minute. But–I didn’t notice the resistance as I had with the first. With the former one, I could definitely feel it pulling against my skin as the hair was coming out–I wish I had known earlier that this was not a good sign and that the hairs should slide out well on their own without requiring forceful tweezing after each hair is zapped. With the new lady, I DO feel them coming out easily. So even though I’m instinctively displeased about it going slower and having to pay more, it does seem like she’s doing a better job.

Of course, after only 2 treatments from her, it’s too early to assess overall effectiveness. About the other one, though, I can say I haven’t seen much if any, after the 6 months she treated me. I know it’s impossible to account for every last hair, but there are a few I have that I know to be unique, not surrounded by others–one lower on each side of my neck, and a darker one growing out of a mole on my arm. OK, one of the neck hairs I haven’t seen in a while, but the other, which I know has been treated about four times already, just came back and I just had it treated again with the new lady. Same for the single arm hair–been zapped at least 3 times, just reappeared and I had it done with the new lady. If I can look at this as a benchmark of my progress, then it’s not looking so good. How many times does a single hair have to be treated before it’s one for good?

A couple other minor differences in service of the two places are that the first one always gave me numbing gel on the upper lip gel as part of the service; the new one does not. The old one performs it in a darkened room with a lamp (kind of like a dentist’s lamp) above and I believe a magnifying device, to concentrate on the area. The new one does it all in a bright room and gives you goggles to wear to shield eyes from the light. The old one uses antibacterial wipes of some kind afterward, the new one antibiotic ointment. The new one WAS more careful, though, about holding my skin taut (under chin especially) during treatment.

It’s so frustrating to have been going this long, spent this much time and money (my former place was much farther away from the other place I just discovered) and not to seem to have great results yet. I keep hoping I can start to go every 3 weeks instead of every 2, but I don’t seem to be there yet. I feel like I must be having some progress, because the last couple of months, I notice that I’ll go the first week after treatment hardly sprouting hardly any offending hair at all, maybe one or two. So I start thinking, ‘Maybe I can cancel next week’s and reschedule for later,’ but then without fail, a few days before I’m due for the next 2-week, it all starts to grow in like crazy. And of course, the worst part is the few days beforehand when I have to grow it out, then the day or two afterward when my skin looks swollen and bumpy. Then I get to enjoy a week or so where my skin is reasonably smooth and hair-free.

This is all especially stressful because I used to have such great skin, but all this treatment seems to be taking its toll. There is one mark on I caused myself when I had to pick out an ingrown hair–I use scar sheets every night now. But I feel like the electrolysis itself is causing me some additional skin woes–some light scarring on the corners of my mouth, in particular, AND some signs of possible collagen loss. There is one dimple line that has deepened–not sure if I have turning the big 3-0 to thank for this, or electrolysis. There’s also a bit of a line extending diagonally downward from one side of my mouth–nothing major, but enough to get me looking into Botox, Restylane, etc. (I’d like to emphasize that I’ve never smoked, don’t suntan, eat healthy, and religiously wear sunscreen). The scarring on the sides of my mouth are also somewhat causing the appearance of lines.

So I’m wondering, does it sound like my new electrologist is doing a good job? She seems to be treating me more carefully, although it does hurt more than the other place. The old place was a swanky clinic in the suburbs and the new one is a tiny office downtown. Also, is there any point in seeking out such skin treatments as Restylane while you’re still going through electrolysis–is it better to wait until you’re reasonably satisfied with your progress to deal with the skin issues? I got some 0.25% Retin-A in hopes it will improve the slight wrinkling issues.

I’ve considered laser hair removal as well, but as far as I can tell, most people only see results for a relatively short time after (I often see the phrase “comes back with a vengeance”). Plus I am trying to save money for something else, so I’m not up for such a big sudden financial commitment. I’m a regular girly-girl AND my testosterone/DHEA levels came back normal at the doctor’s, so I guess this is just one of those unfortunate things. I wish I’d gotten a spironolactone prescription while I still had ensured, but maybe they just don’t do that if your levels are normal. I’ve also been drinking lots of spearmint tea, but not to much avail hair-wise.

Sorry for the wordiness, but any advice on the skin issues would be appreciated, as well as which provider sounded better. The former one seemed somewhat more professional in many ways, save the crucial point about getting the hair to release on the power of the electrolysis itself, not the tweezers. If I were to go back to the former place, I’d ask to see another electrologist. The new one seems to be doing well, but is the only electrologist who works at my new location (everyone else only does laser). My new place is also SO much more convenient for me distance-wise.

P.S. I don’t want to sound paranoid, but a part of me suspects that the first place was treating me ineffectively on purpose. They were really touting the new Lightsheer laser system they just invested in. Maybe they are hoping that people notice the electrolysis isn’t working, and spring for laser instead?

Do you have to hold a bar when you are having a treatment with the new practitioner? Because it sounds like the former electrologist was using thermolysis (possibly flash) and the new one is using blend.

Normally you start seeing improvements after 4-6 months but if the first one was basically plucking (maybe that’s why she has a swanky clinic?), then you’ll have to give the new operator a little more time to prove herself.

I like that the new electrologist has a well lit room, keeps the skin taught and is more careful with her treatment, even if it’s slower. There are several good numbing agents available on the internet if you want to buy one.

It may be a very bad idea to use Retin-A while still getting treatments. Or Botox.

I was afraid I would need an expensive solution too, for the problems you mentioned, but then I started using a cream with 25% Urea content, like Flexitol. I’m very happy with the results.

are you sure it was a plucking feeling, sometimes when the root of the hair is thicker than the pore it will feel like a plucking… a few times with my new electro i thought it might have been plucking but then i realized it probably would have hurt more since waxing/plucking is really painful for me(thicker than average fine hair)…

are you sure it was a plucking feeling,

Sounds like there is a definite difference:

Whereas my former electrologist just went zap-yank, zap-yank, etc. and a hair about every 10 seconds or so, this new one was more like 3 or 4 a minute. But–I didn’t notice the resistance as I had with the first.

She also mentions a wound caused by extracting an ingrown hair. This happens often when the electrologist burns off hairs with a bad insertion.

Another indicator is new hair that comes out feels stubbly instead of soft.

Hi hairy,

Might be worth reading this post and the ones on the last page in regards to that sensation.

http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/98544/stoppit_tidyup.html#Post98544

Hi Libellule,

You are probably not going to want to hear this but forget everything about your first experience. It was not electrolysis, you were paying to have your hairs plucked and it is useless to compare such an experience with proper treatment.

Speed can vary depending on a lot of different variables. If you are having blend, then 3-4 hairs per minute sounds normal. And it is better that an electrologist is treating 3-4 and killing them for good rather than 10/min and have them all come back.

Don’t go down the laser route. Perhaps have some more electrolysis consultations. Be careful with the spearmint tea as in large quantities it can prevent iron absorption. Don’t use retin-A whilst you are having treatment.

Why can’t one use Retin-A while having treatment?

Dr. James Schuster has indicated that there is no contraindication for electrolysis but suggests insulated probes. Colleagues can find this in their copies of his GUIDELINES booklet.

My experience is that the skin becomes very sensitive with Retin A- sunlight, soaps anything. So better to stay away from electrolysis.

Retin A thins the epidermis but eventually thickens the dermis and builds collagen and a host of other benefits it is powerfull stuff but people use it without proper research problems some people experience are increased sensitivity or use to high a strength too frequently has cause me personally no problems with electrolysis skin seems to heal faster

Thanks for your replies, you guys. Impossable, at both places I was holding a bar so I guess that means it was lend method for both. Stoppit, yes! That is pretty much what I was thinking. After going with the first gal for 6 months and making so little progress, I switched. I’ve been with the new one for about 3 months and I am finally able to go every three weeks instead of every two. Looking back, I definitely feel that the former one just wasn’t treating me adequately. I could certainly feel the needle being inserted in each follicle, but right after the “beep” of the instrument, I could feel the hair being tweeted out by the root.

I’m thinking of leaving a negative anonymous Yelp review (the other reviews are overwhelmingly positive) but since it’s hard to prove that they were (deliberately or not) treating me ineffectively, I’m a bit concerned about getting sued. Just the same, if anyone else had had the same experience there, I certainly wish I could have read such a review and saved myself hundreds of dollars and a whole ton of time and pain, which was basically flushed down the youknowwhat. To think I could have been down to 5- or 10-minute sessions by now (9 months since I started electrolysis) if the first place cared more about accuracy than speed.

At the current place I’m going to, they do work a little slower but I can feel the hairs slide easily out rather than being yanked out. The only minus there is that the treated areas are unbelievably red when I get out, and it’s a busy area of downtown, so I have to try to sort of hide my face. It looks like a big red rash! Way worse than how it used to be coming out of my former clinic, but it does seem to mean that it’s working better–and it does subside within about an hour. It’s the one reason I’m almost looking forward to winter–then I can wrap my lower face in a big scarf and no one will give it a second thought.

So I don’t know why my electrician wasn’t treating me effectively; whether it was just company policy to just go as fast as possible or whether she was losing her touch, so to speak. One thing I wonder is, is there some unspoken rule that you have to be 100% loyal to your electrician? Not an issue at my current place, because there is only one. But at the former place, when I asked for an appointment in 2 weeks, my electrician would occasionally say, “Oh, I’m out of town that weekend; I won’t be back till the following…” And I ended up leaving work early one day to make one of her weekday sessions. At the time, I preferred seeing her (I didn’t know any better), but why are clients expected to go around her schedule? Shouldn’t she have at least offered to set me up with someone else who was there on Saturdays (there were others)? I know electrolysis is a personal thing and a lot of clients might prefer sticking with the same practitioner; but then again, timing is everything and a lot of us just want to stick to our schedules and come in when we’re free, regardless of who’s available. I don’t see why we have to be practically married to one electrician. Anyway, not an issue at my current place.

Impossable, the little mark from the ingrown hair was my bad, since I picked/plucked that out with tweezers before I even commenced electrolysis treatment. I have been using a host of products (such as almond oil) to lighten and moisturize the area,and it seems to be improving. The dry, patchy area on my cheek seems to have improved. I do use the Retin-A sparingly on the slightly wrinkled area. I guess I’ll wait until I’m reasonably satisfied with my electrolysis progress overall to seriously consider Botox or fillers.

I would hope you are not being treated by an electrician. An electrician is a tradesman specializing in electrical wiring of buildings, stationary machines and related equipment. Electrologists permanently remove unwanted hair from the face and body by a process called electrolysis.

Lol…sorry! Can’t blame autocorrect this time. Guess I was just too tired to be arsed to type ‘electrologist’ because it’s two letters longer. I’m going to go with ET, electrolysis technician. I usually call her by her name, so I forgot the correct term.
Thanks for the heads-up, champ!

One other thing: I have concerns about how my eyebrow area has been treated by both practitioners. Every single session, I try to make it clear what I want and always specifically state, “only the hairs way below my actual eyebrows.” Yet they always end up doing some of my eyebrow hairs, to the point where I can tell they’ve been thinned out. I was never looking to have my eyebrows thinned out or permanently shaped (after all, in this case if you over pluck, it’s permanent!). I only wanted the hairs removed that are really stray, as in the above-the-eyelid area. Afterward, though, I can usually tell that some of the hairs at the end or inner corner of my actual eyebrows have been done. I am always so relieved when any of this hair grows back because my brows are rather thin to begin with. Reading other people’s concerns about e same issue, this kind of thing seems rather prevalent: electrologists taking it upon themselves to shape your eyebrows when you’ve only asked them to remove the hairs that are far, far astray of the actual eyebrow vicinity. I feel like I could not be any clearer in my description of what I want done. Yet it seems like I always end up overplucked anyway. I don’t want to have to find someone new again, because this one seems like her work is actually making a difference where it counts. But I certainly don’t want to permanently thin out my already sparse eyebrows. How do I be clearer than clear about this? Should I outline the area I actually want done with eyeliner? I don’t want to be rude but even more I don’t want to end up with Marlene Dietrich eyebrows (she could pull it off in her day, but the 1930s are over). Especially since these ladies are of a certain age where they might not realize than über-sparse brows are no longer the thing.

It’s annoying how some people just seem to think, ‘hey, I went to beauty school, I know what’s best,’ and just ignore the client’s wishes. My last haircut, I specifically said I would like the strand over my right eye trimmed to about the eyeline, but I wanted the hair on the left side to grow long and said, “I don’t want this side any shorter.” And what did she do? Cut it shorter. That one little difference made the look so soccer-mommy. She may have thought it best, but I’m the one who has to live with it for the next few months till it grows out. Of course, the difference is with electrolysis, it might not grow back at all. So I need to figure out how to be clearer than clearer-than-clear what I do and don’t want, because some people always seem to just do what they think is best rather than what you asked them to do or not do.