Moisture Levels in the Skin

I know that having good hydration in the skin is important for electrolysis. Normally I take my shower two hours before the appointment but that tends to dry the skin out. I was wondering if it would be better to shower the night before, or even skip the shower the day before. That would probably be OK this time of year if it would make the electrolysis even more effective. Since the hair on my chest and armpits is almost gone, body odor is not an issue, especially this time of year.

The more I think about hydration, it just doesn’t make sense to dry the skin out right before an electrolysis appointment.

RJC2001

Hi RJC:

Internal hydration is more important. Drinking water, at least 6-8 glasses per day three days prior to treatment and avoiding caffiene for the same amount of time, really makes a lot of difference. If you shower and clean your skin with a moisturizing soap or a very mild soap like Dove, Purpose or Cetaphil, the external skin should be just fine for an electrolysis session. It really isn’t necessary to avoid showering before an electrolysis treatment.

Thanks Dee. That makes sense to me. I was wondering about the relative importance of internal hydration vs. external.

RJC2001

The scary thing is that 64 oz a day is a minimum amount of water per day in the same way that a grade of 75% is passing in US high schools. In order to earn an honor roll grade on hydration, one should drink one ounce of water for every pound you weigh before the day is done. That ought to give some people motivation to lose weight <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Of course, anyone who did drink enough water would loose weight as they would be giving the body what it needs to run better, and a better running body is a healthier body both in avoiding sickness, and in physical fitness, and beautiful skin without blemish.

To determine how much water your body needs:
Weigh yourself.
Let’s say you weigh 150 pounds.
Divide that number in half.
150 divided by 2 = 75
Your body requires 75 ounces.

Now if you drink diuretics like coffee, consider adding more water but there are recent studies that show that drinking a couple of cups of a caffeinated drink per day does not have much, if any, impact on hydration however you do need to add water and nutrients back into your diet if you are athletic and sweating - but you probably already know that if you are an athletic person.

NOTE: Drinking excessive amounts of water is damaging to our organs (lungs - pulmanary edema) and body systems as it flushes out the electrolytes/minerals needed for our internal body systems to function properly.

Skin? If you have oily skin or very hydrated skin, that is important for blend or galvanic. If your skin is dry, you should have thermolysis.

The scary thing is that 64 oz a day is a minimum amount of water per day in the same way that a grade of 75% is passing in US high schools. In order to earn an honor roll grade on hydration, one should drink one ounce of water for every pound you weigh before the day is done. That ought to give some people motivation to loose weight <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Of course, anyone who did drink enough water would loose weight as they would be giving the body what it needs to run better, and a better running body is a healthier body both in avoiding sickness, and in physical fitness, and beautiful skin without blemish.

That’s a lot of water! I could see where you would lose weight from drinking that much. You would feel so full you would not eat as much. And you would spend more time running to the rest room. Plus if your drink cold water, your body has to work harder and burn more calories to warm the water to body temperature. Over time that can affect your metabolism.

And also if you are well hydrated, you are less likely to get upper respiratory infections.

RJC2001

I could see where you would lose weight from drinking that much. You would feel so full you would not eat as much.

I think I am the only person that isn’t affected this way. Drinking water when I’m even a little hungry tends to make me extremely hungry, no matter how much water I drink.

Plus if your drink cold water, your body has to work harder and burn more calories to warm the water to body temperature.

I read a discussion about this on Usenet a while back. Someone postulated that if you drink cold beer, the energy required to warm it up to body temperature would cancel out the calories of the beer. If memory serves, your body expends some energy warming up the beverages you drink, but it’s not a huge amount.

The scary thing is that 64 oz a day is a minimum amount of water per day in the same way that a grade of 75% is passing in US high schools. In order to earn an honor roll grade on hydration, one should drink one ounce of water for every pound you weigh before the day is done. That ought to give some people motivation to loose weight

[color:“red”]The scary thing is… the above quote. [/color]

Western medicine does not advocate the 1 ounce of water for every pound you weigh nor does Ayurvadic or Chinese medicine or any health source that I am aware of.

According to the - one ounce of water for every pound you weigh advice - you SHOULD talk to medical professionals or you could begin the end of your life and at that point, you will certainly lose weight as your body decays in some cemetery. Too much water can result in pulmonary edema and other complications as too much water is taxing on organs and our body functions/systems.

The 8-10 glass water rule is safe however if you want to be more specific to a personal rule of thumb, weigh yourself. If you weigh 150 pounds, divide that weight by 2. That equals 75. Drink 75 oz of water and if you prefer chewing over imbibing, eat the recommended daily requirment of fruits and vegetables and you won’t need to drink as much water.

According to the poster who indicates that you should drink 1 oz of water for every pound you weigh, a 150 pound person should be drinking 150 ounces of water which equals amost 19 glasses of water daily.

Dear Hairtell readers, I hope you know enough to research the, “shoulds” posted on this and all other sites. Learn science through more than an opinion.

Is an honor roll student one who is doing only one thing right? Is the person with a 99% average, or a 3.9 GPA spending all their life studying? No, they are not. They are usually creating a fully balanced life. They know that the play time is just as important as the study time.

A sedentary person who ate like the average American (horribly off schedule, skipping meals and with little nutritional value in the so called meals they have) and participated in no exercise, or real life activities to give the body any metabolic increase were to suddenly adopt drinking roughly 2 gallons of water a day on their flabby toxin filled over 200 pound body, they would probably have problems with their electrolyte levels.

An honor roll body would be eating many more well balanced meals and having many activities requiring extra hydration that is metabolized and passed out on a quicker schedule. On a day I work out, I drink 64 ounces of water around my workout alone. I think most people who actually work out experience a similar situation.

I would have thought that by saying it the way I did, the average person would understand that I was NOT saying that everyone should stop what they are doing right now, and chug a gallon of water. Everyone should be drinking SOME water every hour they are awake, especially if they are active. Some people will do better with 4 ounces per hour, others will do better with 16 an hour.

One thing is sure, one’s perfect water intake can not be established without factoring in one’s activity level, eating habits, and the presence or absence of things like smoking, caffeine use, sugar and artificial sweetener use, and on and on and on.

Keep in mind also, that western medicine gives guidelines that assume that you are a typically inactive American having a donut and coffee breakfast. I don’t call that the personal habit of an honor roll human body manager. (keep in mind, they also told you Phen-Fan and Vioxx were safe and in case of a nuclear attack, keep 3m window plastic and duct tape handy.)

I said that people should be motivated to lose weight because the more you weigh the more water you need to drink no matter what your weight to water intake standard. I don’t see you arguing that point. I never said that people should drink water as a way of losing weight, but it is true that the body can’t lose weight if one is NOT drinking enough water.

For instance, there is a stat that says "for every cigarette a person smokes, they would need to eat 5 oranges to replace the vitamin C depleted by that cigarette just to get back to zero. (meaning one has to add an additional 5 oranges per cigarette consumed to the number of oranges one would need to meet the daily minimum, or breathed in a second hand smoke situation) Does this sound like someone saying everyone should be eating a bushel of oranges every day? It more sounds like time to quit smoking to me.

If most Americans were at their “ideal weight” without extra athletic muscle, they would be somewhere between 120 and 180 pounds. I submit to you that the average American drinks more than a gallon of liquid a day most days. The problem is the liquids of choice are coffee, soda-pop, so-called sports drinks, tea and alcoholic beverages. (all but the sports drinks further dehydrate you)

Finally, the only time in my life when I ever had trouble with my electrolytes was during a time when I was working by myself on a 12 to 14 hour a day work schedule, drinking less water than I do now, but was not eating enough either, and was not getting enough salt. (My doctor was shocked, an American with a salt deficiency!) For those starving themselves to lose weight, I gained weight during this time even though I was eating less, so don’t starve with the insane hope of losing weight, you will only lose muscle.

Dear Hairtell readers, I hope you know enough to research the, “shoulds” posted on this and all other sites. Learn science through more than an opinion.

Does Ayurvadic medicine of India or Chinese medicine fall under the science or opinion column, Arlene?

Maybe this will help confuse everyone even more:

http://dms.dartmouth.edu/news/2002_h2/print/08aug2002_water.html

Why don’t we try a dose of simplicity in an already complicated world and just drink enough water to quench our thirst so we produce a colorless or slightly yellow normal amount of urine. If we feel well after that, then we’re probably doing just fine.

Thanks, Rodger for this stimulating question that has many answers that are not easy answers. It got me thinking more about my daily water intake,but laughingly, I’m more confused now.

Dee

Since things on the net tend to get lost in the future, here is the article from the link above.


For Release: August 8, 2002
Contact: DMS Communications (603) 650-1492
“Drink at Least 8 Glasses of Water a Day” - Really?

Dartmouth Professor Finds No Scientific Evidence for ‘8 x 8’

Hanover, NH – It has become accepted wisdom: “Drink at least eight glasses of water a day!” Not necessarily, says DMS physician Heinz Valtin, MD. The universal advice that has made guzzling water a national pastime is more urban myth than medical dogma and appears to lack scientific proof, he found.

In an invited review published online by the American Journal of Physiology August 8, Valtin, the Vail and Hampers professor emeritus of physiology at Dartmouth Medical School, reports no supporting evidence to back this popular counsel, commonly known as “8 x 8” (for eight, eight-ounce glasses). The review will also appear in a later issue of the journal.

Valtin, a kidney specialist and author of two widely used textbooks on the kidney and water balance, sought to find the origin of this dictum and to examine the scientific evidence, if any, that might support it. He observes that we see the exhortation everywhere: from health writers, nutritionists, even physicians. Valtin doubts its validity. Indeed, he finds it, “difficult to believe that evolution left us with a chronic water deficit that needs to be compensated by forcing a high fluid intake.”

The 8 x 8 rule is slavishly followed. Everywhere, people carry bottles of water, constantly sipping from them; it is acceptable to drink water anywhere, anytime. A pamphlet distributed at one southern California university even counsels its students to “carry a water bottle with you. Drink often while sitting in class…”

How did the obsession start? Is there any scientific evidence that supports the recommendation? Does the habit promote good health? Might it be harmful?

Valtin thinks the notion may have started when the Food and Nutrition Board of the National Research Council recommended approximately “1 milliliter of water for each calorie of food,” which would amount to roughly two to two-and-a-half quarts per day (64 to 80 ounces). Although in its next sentence, the Board stated “most of this quantity is contained in prepared foods,” that last sentence may have been missed, so that the recommendation was erroneously interpreted as how much water one should drink each day.

He found no scientific studies in support of 8 x 8. Rather, surveys of fluid intake on healthy adults of both genders, published as peer-reviewed documents, strongly suggest that such large amounts are not needed. His conclusion is supported by published studies showing that caffeinated drinks, such as most coffee, tea and soft drinks, may indeed be counted toward the daily total. He also points to the quantity of published experiments that attest to the capability of the human body for maintaining proper water balance.

Valtin emphasizes that his conclusion is limited to healthy adults in a temperate climate leading a largely sedentary existence - precisely, he points out, the population and conditions that the “at least” in 8 x 8 refers to. At the same time, he stresses that large intakes of fluid, equal to and greater than 8 x 8, are advisable for the treatment or prevention of some diseases, such as kidney stones, as well as under special circumstances, such as strenuous physical activity, long airplane flights or hot weather. But barring those exceptions, he concludes that we are currently drinking enough and possibly even more than enough.

Despite the dearth of compelling evidence, then, What’s the harm? “The fact is that, potentially, there is harm even in water,” explains Valtin. Even modest increases in fluid intake can result in “water intoxication” if one’s kidneys are unable to excrete enough water (urine). Such instances are not unheard of, and they have led to mental confusion and even death in athletes, in teenagers after ingesting the recreational drug Ecstasy, and in ordinary patients.

And he lists other disadvantages of a high water intake: (a) possible exposure to pollutants, especially if sustained over many years; (b) frequent urination, which can be both inconvenient and embarrassing; © expense, for those who satisfy the 8 x 8 requirements with bottled water; and (d) feelings of guilt for not achieving 8 x 8.

Other claims discredited by scientific evidence that Valtin discusses include:

Thirst Is Too Late. It is often stated that by the time people are thirsty, they are already dehydrated. On the contrary, thirst begins when the concentration of blood (an accurate indicator of our state of hydration) has risen by less than two percent, whereas most experts would define dehydration as beginning when that concentration has risen by at least five percent.
Dark Urine Means Dehydration. At normal urinary volume and color, the concentration of the blood is within the normal range and nowhere near the values that are seen in meaningful dehydration. Therefore, the warning that dark urine reflects dehydration is alarmist and false in most instances.
Is there scientific documentation that we do not need to drink “8 x 8”? There is highly suggestive evidence, says Valtin. First is the voluminous scientific literature on the efficacy of the osmoregulatory system that maintains water balance through the antidiuretic hormone and thirst. Second, published surveys document that the mean daily fluid intake of thousands of presumably healthy humans is less than the roughly two quarts prescribed by 8 x 8. Valtin argues that, in view of this evidence, the burden of proof that everyone needs 8 x 8 should fall on those who persist in advocating the high fluid intake without, apparently, citing any scientific support.

Finally, strong evidence now indicates that not all of the prescribed fluid need be in the form of water. Careful peer-reviewed experiments have shown that caffeinated drinks should indeed count toward the daily fluid intake in the vast majority of persons. To a lesser extent, the same probably can be said for dilute alcoholic beverages, such as beer, if taken in moderation.

“Thus, I have found no scientific proof that absolutely every person must ‘drink at least eight glasses of water a day’,” says Valtin. While there is some evidence that the risk of certain diseases can be lowered by high water intake, the quantities needed for this beneficial effect may be less than 8 x 8, and the recommendation can be limited to those particularly susceptible to the diseases in question.

Since we get lots of argument about the water drinking advise here, is a little more info for you. Do you know the military says straight out, “We advise drinking 6 to 8 quarts of water a day to our personnell, and realize that the average civillian lives in a dehydrated state that they have become accustomed to living in. It is one of the things we have to instill in our recruits as quickly as possible.” (Yes folks, that’s a gallon and a half to 2 gallons a day! Sir, Yes Sir!)

Furthermore Anne Marie Helmenstine, Ph.D. says:

"It’s Not How Much You Drink, It’s How Fast You Drink It!

The kidneys of a healthy adult can process fifteen liters of water a day! You are unlikely to suffer from water intoxication, even if you drink a lot of water, as long as you drink over time as opposed to intaking an enormous volume at one time. As a general guideline, most adults need about three quarts of fluid each day. Much of that water comes from food, so 8-12 eight ounce glasses a day is a common recommended intake. You may need more water if the weather is very warm or very dry, if you are exercising, or if you are taking certain medications. The bottom line is this: it’s possible to drink too much water, but unless you are running a marathon or an infant, water intoxication is a very uncommon condition. "


Of course, James Walker says, one must also make sure that one’s water is fit for consumption, bathing or any other body contact. Chlorine, fluoride, and other conataminations should be eliminated, or at least avoided as best one can. One really can drink too much water if the water is not pure.

More water information for the hairtell file:

http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/health/biggest-loser-club-says-hydrate-hydrate-hydrate-289831/

The reason I always cut and past the actual article copy along with the link is that the links are often limited use, and then deleted, like this one above.

It was a video, James, not an actual print article. Can you tell me how I can preserve a video for future situations like this?

Thanks,

Dee

We are good friends Dee, and as such, you know I am telling the truth, while getting a great laugh, when I say, That is beyond your computer capability.

However, if you find something like that again, let me know, and maybe we can work something out that will allow us to keep a working link to it for posterity. (or at least until google video or youtube removes it.)

Yes, you know my computer “capabilities” well, dear James. I am a great source of frustration to others, especially my computer savvy kids when I ask so many “how to” questions, but I’m always willing to learn something new if someone patiently teaches me. I’ll accept your invitation to confer with you on such things in the future. The link worked for about 24 hours though. Bummer.

Back to the original question.

I really like it if my clients have used a moisturizer (in addition to be internally hydrated - however much that means they drink) before a treatment. I am cleaning the moisturizer off of the skin, so the moisturizer does not interfere with my work, yet it is not the dry flaky skin that can be tough to work on.