Metallic Taste in Mouth

Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
#1

Hello,

I went for my first Electrolysis appointment in Germany, where there is a language barrier between myself and the woman performing the electrolysis. I had done a few sessions in the past (in Canada), and did as much research as possible before starting to Germany, so I didn’t think the language barrier would be a problem.

However, during parts of my treatment, I got a metallic taste in my mouth. I do have fillings (though - they’re white, I didn’t think they were metal). Has anyone else experienced this? Is this normal or something to worry about?

I had no idea how to express this in German…

Thank you!

#2

I should add - she was using the blend method.

#3

Some clients report this when direct current (DC)is involved whether it be when using glavanic or blend modes or when performing cataphoresis after a treatement. DC current causes nerve stimulation involving the taste buds and thus the metallic taste. Some clients report this and some don’t. There has not been good research done on this, but regardless, there appears to be no danger to the client. We’ve been using direct current with the blend and galvanic methods for decades upon decades with no problem. If it bothers you, you can pop a lemon drop in your mouth.

Dee

#4

I also get a metallic taste in my mouth too when blend or galvanic is used on my face, and especially during cataphoresis. It is not unusual.

#5

I get it too but used to it now I think lol

#6

Hi orangepeeel,

what about speaking english with her? slowly and carefulle :wink: ?

Ok, a quick and dirty translation containing a comment in german:

Während meiner Behandlung hatte ich gelegentlich einen metallischen Geschmack im Mund. Ich habe Zahnplomben, aber sie sind weiss (ja, es dürfte sich um Kunststofffüllungen halten). Hat schon mal jemand ähnliche Erfahrungen gemacht? Ist das normal oder etwas, was mir Sorgen bereiten müßte?

Auch ich habe das erlebt, wenn auch selten. Auch meine Kunden spüren dies hin und wieder. Wie bereits gesagt ist nichts darüber bekannt, dass es irgendwie schädlich sein könnte. Der Tipp mit dem Sauren Drop könnte darauf hindeuten, dass sich im Mund ein ganz klein wenig Natronlauge bildet.

#7

We would rather someone revive an old thread than start a new one on the same topic, that way the past conversation’s talking points don’t have to be restated.

The metallic taste is a reaction with the saliva in your mouth. Either you have a different mineral profile now than then, or there is a difference in how your body reacts with the 27 megahertz as opposed to the frequencies the other machines are working on. Keep in mind the 27 megahertz causes the galvanic chemical reaction to occur faster, so it may make the saliva reaction occur faster as well.

#8

As a side remark: most of the Apilus machines also use 13.5 MHz… Anyway, i notice this effect quite frequently when i run my Apilus Junior in pulsed blend mode. Everything speeding up the chemical reaction will tend to increase that effect.

#9

Love your picture, Beate! James, I agree with your explanation.

#10

“Keep in mind the 27 megahertz causes the galvanic chemical reaction to occur faster, so it may make the saliva reaction occur faster as well.”

How does frequency affect lye production?
What “saliva reaction” are you talking about?

#11

Michael, my dear friend, if anyone other than someone like you, a noted blend practitioner, asked this question, I might answer it, but since I seem to recall you describing this reaction in your book…

#12

Maybe read it again? with love …

#13

The SX500 and the Senior are 13.5 MHz machines. All machines offer traditional blend as well as pulsed blend modes. So the effect seems to be mostly due to differences in the parameters used during treatment.

The Omniblend mode on the Apilus machines has a (IMO somewhat too) hard limit of the thermolysis component - lower than that of the slow thermolysis mode - which therefore enforces longer treatment times in some situations.
Admittedly, i speak of my Junior, but the much longer treatment time seems to indicate that the galvanic component is stronger than it is on the Clareblend.

BTW: i doubt that the fast blend mode Michael Bono recently demonstrated can be done on an Apilus machine. The pulsed blend modes of these machines are IMO much more powerful. They allow for more efficient treatments with smaller side effects than Omniblend.

Just for doing manual blend these boxes are a waste of money in my eyes - manual epilators of one third of the cost do that job equally well or maybe even better.

#14

I think the supposition that frequency affects the chemical reaction of lye is not fact based. James said: “"Keep in mind the 27 megahertz causes the galvanic chemical reaction to occur faster.”

Basic science teaches that any chemical reaction will go faster with the application of heat. Certainly, this would be so for combining HF (heat) and DC (chemical reaction) in the follicle. I could be mistaken, but I don’t think HF frequency has anything to do with increasing or decreasing lye production. One would have the same increased lye production if you were creating, say, 160 Fahrenheit in the follicle — whether it was with 27 or 13 or 40 megahertz. (Some day, when I’m feeling REALLY brave, I will tell you the history of where the 27 megahertz came from, but not here: too long a story.)

Still, what is that “metallic taste?” It seems to come “now and then” with “this or that” machine? Although James Schuster’s experiment did illustrate some “base” buildup around metal objects placed in the DC pathway, his experiment showed you must have metal for such a (very nominal) buildup. Furthermore, he based his experiment on using extreme amounts of DC (one full amp., I believe), for over a full hour of time! (We don’t do that — ever.)

So, you would assume from Schuster’s experiments that some metal taste would be sensed from your “metallic fillings.” Well, people with no teeth at all can also experience the “metallic taste!” Folks with complete dentures (no metal) can have the metallic taste. So, what is the “saliva reaction?” (I don’t think there is a chemical reaction in the mouth at all. I don’t think there is a “saliva reaction.”)

I have made my own conclusions about this (and asked a couple scientists in my area before I wrote my book), but here’s a really fun experiment that will probably bring you to the same conclusions that I made. Try the following.

If you have the capability of using just DC on your machine, hold on to the “indifferent ground” (actually the DC return, in this case use the negative mode, but either polarity works the same.) Now attach your cataphoresis roller (in the + mode). Turn the DC meter to 10/10ths or higher. Place the cata-roller next to the outside corner of your eye. Close your eyes, and with the current on, quickly tap the roller on and off the eye (very near, not in). You may do this in a dark room for a better effect. So, do you see a tiny flash of light? If you are doing it properly, you will see this flash of light. If not, try different locations around your eye. Keep tapping and you will see the flash.

So, is the DC cata-roller actually making light? Indeed, seeing light is your experience. What do you think is actually happening, and how can you translate this finding to the experience of “the metallic taste?” And, that’s your morning assignment!

Nur für Beate: One of the physicists I consulted with, years ago, was Helmut Zoike. If you look him up on German Google you will find his amazing story. I grew up with Zoike’s son, but listened for hours to Helmut’s “first hand” history from the German perspective. Zoike was a boyhood friend of Werner von Braun, and was at Penemunde with von Braun. He died only last year.)

#15

See, I knew that you knew the dental fillings were the culprit.

#16

OOOps, I mean: “Peenemünde!”

#17

James, dental fillings are not the “culprit.” Meine Gute!

#18

I’m thinking the taste of copper pennies in the mouth has to do with chemical and electrical stimulation of the nerve that goes from the tongue to the brain. Stimulation involves an anodal or cathodal current??? How bad did I botch that one, Mike?

#19

Is it normal to have the metal taste days after treatment? I treated a client with Blend for her chin and neck. 2 treatments 1 hour appointments back to back days and she is saying she still can taste the metal. She does not have any metal in her mouth. I this normal? Any help would be much appreciated.