Male Shoulders 9 mths later still hair

Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
#1

Hey guys and girls.

I started electrolysis on both my shoulders last May 2010. I went all the way up to December or January of 2011. I was going for 2 hr sessions once per week. If I had to guess I’d say the tech covered probably a quarter of my shoulder per week (this includes delt all the way down to mid bicep)in those 2 hrs. We rotated arms every week.

I’m wondering why after spending thousands ($100.00 per 2hrs weekly)I am still covered in far too much hair in my opinion.

Was I supposed to do a full shoulder per sitting and why was my tech not advising of this. I think its unreal to expect 3-5k to clear shoulders of hair.

Please give me your opinions.

Many Thanks

#2

Before and after pictures would be helpful…Am I correct to assume that you have very dense hair? You are male?

It sounds like your tech treated 1/4 of the area each week, so each area was cleared once a month. Is that correct? Your shoulders received 8 or 9 clearings if this is correct…

The treatment plan sounds appropriate, so here is a question I have for you:

After an area was cleared, what kind of growth did you see coming into that cleared area?

Did you see hairs that came in as stubble, or did you see the growth of fine hairs with a tapered point that darkened or coarsened as they gained length?

What did the tech say during the consultation? Did she tell you that you would be done within a year or that it could take a couple of years?

Of those areas treated, did the area cleared each week enlarge at all toward the end of the time you went?

Often, clients reach a point of saying, “this isn’t working” and quit. Often, if they say this and don’t quit, within a few treatments they will then say, “we have turned a corner - I can tell this is working.”

The individual physiology of people varies so much - the unsynchronized cycle of hair growth can range from a few weeks to years. If all conditions are perfect, the progressive loss of hair on a man can take a year to several years…

#3

Fear of eschars and wanting to go “fast” are two reasons, in my experience, that undertreatment takes place. Undertreatment = too much regrowth. In the last several weeks, I have gotten “beaten up” by some dicey emails (I still have a headache) — but my opinion is, perhaps, one worth thinking about. Eight or nine clearings on a guy’s shoulders is not reasonable for body work. One clearing should result in (visibly) 50% reduction. The second clearing, another 50% and the third (final) will result in more than 95% permanent removal. The person will then have a few “pick up” sessions. I guarantee this result to all patients — period!

Fully understanding the physiology of a “scab” (certainly I can’t and will not do that here), illustrates how benign such post-treatment lesions really are. If you are worried about making a tiny eschar on big body hairs, well, good luck to you! Furthermore, real “speed” has very little to do with how many hairs you can remove in an hour — it’s about how many follicles you can permanently remove. The final tally of hours is all that indicates how successful you have been, i.e., how “fast” you were.

I’m still smarting from being “smacked around” in the last few weeks. Still, my opinions (now obviously out of fashion) are still worth thinking about. (I still have records from 57 beards that I have completed. The lowest completed time was 42 hours and the highest total time was 82 hours. And, NO, I did not scar the person. After 33 years of doing this craft, I actually do know what I’m doing!) And YES, I have finally become an old curmudgeon! Gotta love it?

#4

My dear friend Michael. You know we are proud to hoist the Jolly Roger around here. Feel free to share any information you wish, and know that the management is all good with helping you spread the good news of real permanent hair removal.

#5

9 clearances taken and none results after all?

Sounds quite weird IMHO

#6

I agree with Michael. Three clearances are sufficient to kill 95% of the hairs on all body and face (if it is virgin hair in women)

Michael forgot to mention that to get 50% of results in each clearance, the electrologist should recommend to his client, do not touch the hair for a few months (unless it is cut with scissors).
Most electrologists follow a strategy that requires a return to the same area a dozen times (and I’m optimistic here).

A few days ago, Edokid told us about the strategy recommended by his electrologist. He could wax the area 15 days before starting his treatment of Electrolysis. With this short time, only be treated by, how much? 25% of the follicles? with this strategy, Edokid will have a high false regrowth and he’ll think probably that Electrolysis is a fraud.
Michael explains this well in his book, but it seems he wrote his words in invisible ink.

I wish I had knowledge of an electrologist only capable of treating hair arm, shoulder, back, chest, legs, underarms, without obtaining crust and at the same time to have these outstanding results.

I’m not saying that we should strive to get the crust, on the contrary, we all want a minimal reaction in the skin, but not at the expense of having more real regrowth, the tweezers were invented for this.

I make an effort to understand the experts who say the crust is preventable on the body, and only find one reason: To make students aware of the value of a person’s skin and to avoid overtreatment. This again is well explained in the book of Michael. He gives us the keys to never leave permanent scars.

#7

Here is an example of the reduction that we can get after a single clearance.

Before

After 3 months.

The area had swelling, redness, scabs, some tombstones, there are still a little hyperpigmentation, but this will disappear in a few weeks and my client’s arms remain hair-free forever. Yes, Michael, the ELECTROLYSIS can. :grin:

#8

That arm looks familiar to me…mmm…

#9

Barbara I think you misunderstood. My tech does a quarter of my one shoulder every week then swtiches to other shoulder the following week and does the same.

I totally get what you are saying in regards to being patient but I think its ridiculous to think I could spend 10 k to rid of hair on shoulders.

Before and after pics I dont have but Ill tell you it looks like Ive had less than a 15 % reduction on both shoulders. This is simply unacceptable in my opinion.

Shes been using the blend method and approx 6-7 seconds per hair.

I really think Michael is on the right path with his above statement just need confirmation before switching tech’s.

Thanks

#10

Oh yes, Spaniard, this is the arm of a smart and determined young man who does not hesitate when he wants to achieve their goals. :wink:

…and that makes me work on my days off. No matter, you deserve it.

Greetings from Málaga.

#11

Hello!

Some years ago a patient sued an electrologist (East Coast Canada) for taking 175 hours for an underarm case. Amazingly, the therapist said the job was “about half finished!” The electrologist, like me, used the blend. I have never taken more than 8 hours to complete an underarms case. If I did take more hours, the following treatments would be free. It’s never happened.

Well, goody goody for me … but the point I’m making (that is seldom taken seriously) is that it is not the machine or the method (or the needle, or optics) that insures success or brilliant results. Indeed, I understand why we talk about “method.” It’s something we can talk about empirically — but it’s still largely immaterial to treatment success. If you can’t get the needle in the follicle, who cares what method you are using?

I’m doing a remodel on my house and will eventually get a Wolf stove (the high end pricey thing — I just like the way it looks). But, since I seriously “can’t cook,” do you think buying this amazing stove will make me a better cook? Jossie came over to my house last night (not “our Jossie”), and cooked me the best real Italian I’ve ever had on my OLD stove that is disgusting and should have been thrown out 20 years ago! I mean, only two burners work! So who made the meal? The stove or the cook?

For the beleaguered patient, you must must must do a “patch test” before spending thousands of dollars! (Did I say, “must?”) Yes, you are impatient (it’s a “male thing”), but jumping into a major treatment without doing appropriate diligence is not the way to go. If the electrologists cannot give you an estimate, that’s your first clue. Seriously, if you have doubts, have the electrologist clear off a patch about the size of your hand. Now, WAIT 2 months and have the same area cleared off again. After another 2 -3 months, the results should be, well, spectacular. Not 100% hair free, but so obvious that you can now predict the results yourself.

BTW, Fino Gior, who was a flash thermolysis operator, had results exactly like mine, on every body part! I recommend patch testing for all methods, including the “dreaded” laser! Until we have actual published “Standards of Practice” all this silly debate will continue on for the next 100 years.

#12

Hi Michael I would like to mention that this lady’s been doing this for 20 + years plus has her own school.

I think the insertions were proper as I’ve never felt any tugging during the tweezing of the hair. As per your advice I will seek another electrologist and proceed with the test patches as I can’t figure out what this tech did wrong beyond what I believe was failure to clear a shoulder in 1 or 2 sessions rather then it taking 8 weeks per clear. (1/4 of each shoulder per 2 hr session each week)