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Hair Removal Methods Do-It-Yourself Electrolysis
#101

It is two different counters. One counts the hours and minutes (the seconds are not printed, nor displayed) and the other counter counts the number of insertions/completed treatment cycles/taps on the footpedal.

If you think Dectro would be helpful on this project, you don’t remember their answer to the poster who wanted more info on their LASER vs. Electrolysis studies. The reply was something to the effect of, We have published all the information that we care to dissiminate to the general public.

#102

James,

Couldn’t someone at Dectro answer the insertion counter reset question for you? I have resorted to dividing my marathon clients statistic sheets into areas to compensate for this. For instance, I mentally draw a line down the middle of ones face and neck, so, after I finish doing the right side of the face and neck of a client, I go ahead and print a sheet that shows the number of insertions, time, and cost. I mark that printout - RIGHT SIDE ONLY FACIAL AND NECK. Then I restart a new session and mark it as LEFT SIDE ONLY FACIAL AND NECK. The only thing I have to correct, in writing on the sheet, is the session number because technically they spent one session, one day, with me getting full clearance on their face and neck. I do this for arm work as well and it’s fun to note that one arm differs by a hundred or less insertions each time they are cleared. This is a great way to keep track of progress, by watching those numbers go downward.

I don’t know if Dectro can resolve this or would even think it was financially worth it to make corrections. If they can’t or won’t, I’m just saying there are ways to get around this automatic resetting feature for those that do appointments longer than 4 hours and 15 minutes and remove hairs greater than 3,500 or whatever the number is. I’m just glad to know that I was not doing something to screw up the time or count. Many a client have witnessed me talking to myself saying, “What the …heck?” when the tape revealed that I had worked on them for 40 minutes instead 5.5 hours. Mystery solved. What a helpful thread.

#103

Hopefully, someone is familier with Senior II settings and can assist me.

Today, I was treating 45-60 size hairs, and using omniblend settings of 50 seconds @ .42mA with 19% intensity. It was taking between 40-60 seconds to get a good release, with what I think was a good-looking hair.

But shouldn’t the time be much less than nearly a minute using omniblend? More like 6-20 seconds?

When I pushed the uL button using the settings described above, I saw 10uL displayed. If I forced a setting of 60uL, it reset the time to like 13-14 secs @ .42mA. But when I manually set the time to 50 seconds, uL drops to 10 again. Is this a fail-safe of the machine?

I want to try pulsing blend next, but would like to clear up this mystery first. Got a good clearance of her chin today, probably 50-70 hairs, but it was S L O W at nearly a minute per hair.

Comfort was good, however, and she seems to prefer cataphoresis with tea tree oil, as compared to sessions where we did not use it. Said the irritation subsided MUCH quicker (and I didn’t tell her why I was doing it, to get an objective idea as to whether or not cata was a benefit to her). Only mild redness a few hours later, with little to no scabbing at all.

#104

Yes, the Apilus products have a fail-safe built into the machines, as requested by the legal department, to keep people from making settings that would char-broil the skin, possibly leanding to lawsuits.

If you attempt to create a setting that makes the internal computer say “Are You Crazy!”, it will just do The Jedi Mind Trick and say, “Those are not the settings you wanted to input. What you really meant was these settings here.”

Basically, it will allow you to chose one parameter that you feel is important, (say, the timing, or the intensity) and it will automatically adjust the other dependent parameters to be in sync with the one it is allowing you to keep.

Basically, if you are finding you need close to a minute per hair in blend, you need to be increaseing either the mA, or the % intensity, or the number of pulses of thermolysis so that you can get a faster treatment, whithout compromising good treatment.

#105

So using blend or omniblend, what is a reasonable duration expectation for said 45-60 unit hairs? (Makes sense to me that it was taking almost 60 seconds, if Senior defaulted to a 10uL setting!)

#106

I am not there to see what is happening.

You have to play with the settings here. My question is, has you maxed out the pre-sets yet?

If you are at the end of the pre-sets for that body part, you start inching up on the mA’s or the thermolysis intensity.

#107

No to the maxing out presets. I THOUGHT I was hitting things hard yesterday, until I checked the uL setting. Thought I was really attacking with everything I had, only to find out I was mostly toothless @ 10uL.

Also, that was using omniblend. Will play around some more tonight with different settings, try some pulsing blend, but now that I know the little uL setting trick, I will be checking settings.

Another thing I noticed that I thought was weird… when I hit the uL button, it shows my uL settings. Hit it again, and it goes back to the OB screen, but the time decreases. This kept happening, duration was going down every time I checked the settings and went back. Weird.

But suffice it to say, my settings were omniblend, 19%HF (max allowable), 50 secs, .42mA, and it was taking a LONG time to get a good release on anything over a 30 hair. Had a few small ones that released in about 20 secs, but most were the full 50 or a tad over, even doing progressive.

The good news is, I think I was able to properly treat about 95% of the hairs with little chance of overtreatment. Going back to legs tonight armed with the uL check in mind.

#108

Why don’t you go into the preset and call up “legs setting, level 9” You may be able to do well with just leg setting level 5, 6, 7, or 8. I have forgotten what that comes out to. It may be pre-set 99, or pre-set 69, but I don’t remember. I know it is not 39 (that equals Chin level 9) and it is not 89 (because that is Bikini Line level 9)

You really should be able to release these in a pre-set that is already there. Check your manual and have it talk you through selecting a leg pre-set treatment energy.

#109

Ahhhh, so I SEE!!! I was hitting program for legs, seeing 93, and not realizing that 9 was program for legs, with the units digit (0-9) being different levels. Now I know dat! Thanks, James, you make me look like a pro even from 9,000 miles away!

#110

Ok, so continuing with learning…

I am using blend, .68s @ 11% for 5 pulses of HF, 10s @ .65mA Galv, and the machine says it equates to 65uL.

I treat hairs that I estimate (bear in mind my lack of experience, here) are between 60 & 80 units in size. Most are larger than an F5 needle, some are the same size-ish, and a few are slightly smaller. But an F5 it is, as that is the largest I have.

So I treat using the above settings, try a tug, and nothing. Repeat, same results, the hair is still firmly anchored. I then start a third treatment, and somewhere between 5 to 10 secs into the third treatment, I get a hair that releases much easier (unless it is telogen, they tend to hang on more), and it has a nearly perfectly intact clear sheath from the bulb up. I consider this a successful treatment, but is it? My concern is… SHOULD it take that much treatment to release? My insertions are good (doing them on myself) except always getting perfect depth, sometimes my needle is longer than the hair under the skin (though I suspect a portion of those are telogen, so maybe it was still a good insertion?).

In summary, it is taking 2.5 to 3 treatments of 10 secs (65uL) to get a good release. The skin afterward was not even red, though a few of the shallower hairs DID get a raised bump, but even those were invisible within an hour. The next morning, I see no evidence of treatment at all. No scabs, no redness, nada. Is there any chance I am over-treating, or does the process sound about right? (I know, I know, no one wants to make a legal statement that they can be held accountable for… If so, PM me and keep it private).

My concern is that I had this preconcieved notion that the hairs should be releasing sooner. But when I have tweezed a few after 1 or 2 treatments, I get no sheath, just a droopy, wet bulb. Hit the 3 treatment mark, and out slides a large sheath intact. Looks good, but I was hoping for a consensus from those with experience.

#111

If you have gone up to Leg Pre-Set Level 9, and it is still taking 3 treatments to get a release, you have one of a few things happening. Amongh the possibilities are:
The sheath structure is so large that taking it through the shaft requires more energy to liquify it more, or pull it through.
The insertion needs to be better placed so that the treatment is centered in and around the bottom of the bulb
You need to inch up the treatment energy so that the hair releases in one treatment cycle.
You need to increase the number of pulses or the intensity of the thermolysis being used.

#112

Insertion being better would require someone looking over my shoulder, and I ain’t gonna get that any time soon. :frowning:

You say inch up treatment energy, are you referring to galvanic?

I will try the intensity & pulse frequency, and see what happens. Thanks!

#113

If you are at least getting the hair out intact with the bulb, that means you on the right track.

I have the same problem, balancing energy so that the hair comes out intact with the root sheath, and at the same time doesn’t look ‘liquified’ with a runny egg like coating on the hair or losing the root sheath inside the follicle. I find treating the hairs so that a little resistance (a little, very little) remains the hair will “pop” out intact. If the hair comes out with virtually no effort it usually has a runny end and/or a mangled sheath or no sheath at all.

Assuming all other things being equal (insertion accuracy), I have generally found with less power, the root sheath and skin inside the follicle is harder (leading to an intact sheath and a little tug to get it out), and more power the root sheath is liquidifed (and comes out very easy but is messy.) If not enough power is used, it takes more effort to pull out, and the hair breaks and/or you lose the bulb and sheath under the skin.

In other words, a runny sheath is a sign of overtreatment. I think this is correct, pros?

#114

I am reading with much interest…But the topic stopped here…But this person’s question seems unanswered.

So maybe I can blow some life into this topic again by adding this message ? :wink:

#115

Not sure what question you felt was unanswered, Toeman, but thanks for the interest in the post, I know I have learned tons from the guys & gals here at HT.

#116

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#117

This sounds like a soft commercial advertisement. What do you mean by “seeing results really quickly”?

#118

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#119

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#120

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