Lightsheer Duet - chest/stomach thinning

Hair Removal Methods Laser hair removal
#21

I think you missed the part Mike where I wrote on the first page: “I have not used the Duet so I can not speak for its power” and “as a consumer…”

I do not recall giving anyone specific parameters they should be treated at. What I have done (and correct me on this if I’m wrong) is say whether or not the settings used will be effective. I have taken this information strictly from what romeo has posted, and from what the laser companies themselves post as recommended parameters:

http://www.laserpartnersok.com/uploads/GLP_Treatment_Guidelines.pdf

http://www.cynosure.com/products/elite/pdf/Aesthetic-Trends-Article-Apogee-Elite.pdf

http://www.aesthetic.lumenis.com/pdf/highpower_lhr_system.pdf

I have posted those links multiple times throughout the forum, and you know what? They always get lost as the threads disappear overtime, and then the next batch of visitors come in and repeat the same questions over and over, so no, I don’t always feel like going back through to find the links. If there’s a mod that wants to sticky those links, let them. But there they are Mike, for you and for everyone interested in knowing where the numbers come from.

#22

I would like to see ALL posters do this in signature:

Mike Bono (electrologist):

Brenton (laser & electrolysis patient):

James Walker (electrologist … no, not “god!” he he he)

Josefa Reina (electrologist):

Joe Schmo (electrolysis patient):

And so forth!

Right up front … there it would be (!), and the reader could make his/her own determination as to the legitimacy of the post.

#23

Yes that makes sense… Based on my understanding (over the past few years- about 10 yrs) of the cosmetic industry in general (as a patient) , I have realized that it really does make sense to get the best trained person for your treatment (be it cosmetic surgeon or laser aest or electrologist) just because its not worth it to play with your skin.

I have nothing against LHR but i just have not met a single patient in his 50s who started LHR in his late 20s or early 30s got a complete clearance and maintained it throughout- The reason is that 20 years ago you didnt really have LHR as mainstream as its now with all these options with Lasers. And i dont really want to be a guinea pig seeing how it works for me 20 years from now— iv told you what my concern was earlier— white hairs and maintaining a complete hair free look later in life without PROSPECTIVELY damaging my skin due to use of Laser regularly from now to the next many years. Thats what i am skeptical about.

On the other hand, with electrolysis, atleast I am somewhat convinced thats its the only permanent hair removal option out there as we speak. I dont really mind going though x amt. of hours on my legs once and for all as opposed to LHR with 10 treatments for maintenance over 10 years. And in the long run, its probably end up costing the same.

In any case… we will see what happens… LHR now for me seems like its OK for those who just somewhat of a reduction and dont mind getting regular touch ups. White hair with age scares me when thinking about LHR.

#24

sorry a few typos - should have read before i posted :wink: sorry guys!

#25

Here’s the thing. With the right patient (my determination), I guarantee my results. This means for a lifetime with no equivocation. Electrologists can all do this.

Some cases cannot be guaranteed: for example, women that have just started menopause.

However, men are the easiest to predict. Actually, the MORE big nasty giant hairs you have, the EASIER it is to give you a 100% guarantee.

The kid in the above photo is from Iran and was covered with gigantic thick hairs: ALL grown in and luxurious. Once all these were zapped … that was it. (As you can see the tiny hairs I did not treat, eventually came in. He will be finished today and the total time for all of it will be less than 4 hours. That is, if he ever gets his butt out of bed! Still sleeping at 11:00AM!)

Hope this helps. For myself, and my own “highly prejudiced” opinion … I wouldn’t wish laser on my worst enemy! Unless, of course, you want to do 10+ years of “follow-ups!” Electrolysis is faster and cheaper! Oh yeah, it works too! (Again, my prejudice based on 25 years of jaundiced observation.)

#26

"you want to do 10+ years of “follow-ups!”

Ok so now I’m going to ask you for facts to back up your claim on how manypeople require 10+ years of followup appointments. How many follow-up appointments per year do people need then? We need numbers!

#27

That’s funny … I can’t back this up (only a few patients told this to me).

No reports ONLY (as I SAID) my PREJUDICE and JAUNDICED-BASED “worthless” opinion. I think I stated this clearly? What is “prejudice” worth … well, nothing. You know that!

#28

However, I am GLAD to see I got my message across!

#29

hi to the both of you again- @Breton: Is it safe to say 10 followup treatments in 10 years? That is what i estimated based on 1 touch per year after a lumpsum of 6 treatments evenly spaced ?

AND ON ANOTHER NOTE:

(though you def may judge the validity of my thoughts-:slight_smile:

Can i also assume that Lasers of today COULD BE scientifically flawed - meaning good results for lets say 5 years post treatments but age somewhat changes that after one hits 55? Given this a newer technology , something with short term benefits may not directly translate into long term benefits?

@ Mike- Just to clarify regarding the picture that you posted— if i understood this correctly, you said that you had done 1 clearing of this persons entire back many years ago and that he now has hairs popping up on the sides? Could you tell me how many hours you took for his clearing and how many clearings you did?

My understanding of electrolysis on the beard area is that one needs to do a couple full clearings before all hairs are eventually out- i know some mtf patients who went to a place in texas and got mega sessions done.

#30

Hi Geff,

In reality, if your treatments are done at good settings from the start, you shouldn’t need touchups with laser any more often than you would need a touchup with electrolysis (i.e. when new hair your body produces as you age comes in). From my experience of doing both laser and electrolysis, the most cost-effective way has been for large areas, to laser it as much as I can to get rid of the bulk of hair, and then finish up with electrolysis. It also allows me to spend less time on the electrolysis table and more time going about my day. Maybe in the end, the total time until every hair is gone is longer, but because I want so much hair gone from many areas, I’m lasering most of it and then spending time doing electrolysis in the meantime working on areas that laser hit its limit (i.e. my beard.)

I’m judging the validity on that you are assuming something that may or may not be true. Sure, things “could be” flawed (hell, everything “could be” flawed – look at how many myths electrologists believe about hair already). I looked it up and LAGirl had her underarms/bikini treated, and the hair has been gone since 2005/early 2006 without touchups. If you want to believe it’s scientifically flawed, go ahead I won’t stop you, but you have to have some sort of justification for why. If your hair is gone for 10+ years and then comes back, then why did it? Can you say the same thing would happen if you had electrolysis? Is it just new growth that came with age that would’ve happened regardless?

#31

First off, the above statement of Brenton is “right on the money” (in my opinion, of course).

“Mike- Just to clarify regarding the picture that you posted— if i understood this correctly, you said that you had done 1 clearing of this persons entire back many years ago and that he now has hairs popping up on the sides? Could you tell me how many hours you took for his clearing and how many clearings you did?”

No, as with all body work 3 clearings are required with a couple “follow-up” sessions. I don’t remember the TTT, but would assume about 90 hours (this was a big case). The guy was 22 when I first saw him and (as Brenton correctly notes) not all the hairs had grown in (they were there on the sides, but still only very tiny “vellus” hairs). The next 20 years of hormone stimulation made those tiny hairs get bigger … as you see in the photo. At this age he will not grow in any more hair … done deal. (Except that now it’s all going white!)

What is noteworthy in the photo is not the “new” hairs, but the super clear back after 20 years. The client is now 44-years-old (designs robotic surgical devices). Actually there were hairs scattered over the whole back … it took me 30-minutes to zap the entire back. Frankly, that’s about as good as you can expect from electrolysis and male body work.

Also, as far as any “flap” with Brenton and me … well, actually he’s just about my favorite guy on Hairtell. Jossie and Dee Dee are first, and then it’s “Brenton.” I love smart people. I ONLY pester the people I adore!

#32

Hi Geff2013,

I actually had electrolysis done on the back as well, about 10 years back. It also did a good job of clearing the area, but I found it to be very painful and very time consuming. I was introduced to the Duet and found that in about 25 minutes, they could clear my entire back and shoulders, and the hair regrowth was considerly less (not abolsolute, but hugely reduced). The hairs that grew back, came back finer and less. I went through 6 sessions and found significant permanent removal.

I have done 2 maintenance sessions since (about 6 months apart) which helped even more. I found over the maintenance periods that I did not shave or touch the area, it grew back much lighter and less full (definitely there, but just much much less and finer).

Unfortunately, I did not leave enough time between the first 6 sessions to get a sense of whether it would grow back patchy or when it started to fine out - hence my original posting here as to whether someone with direct experience could share this insight as I would really love to try but am hesitant of the regrowth.

I personally had a great experience with the Lightsheer Duet and would highly recommend for large areas as it it minimal in pain (almost to none), and the time was very quick.

Anyone else who can share their story or experience would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Nooch34 - Laser (Lightsheet Duet) Patient

#33

I got my 6 package sessions (included back, shoulders and upper arms) for $1400, on a half price sale. Maintenance sessions are $245 per, and I do about every 6 months so far. Was quoted $300/session for chest and stomach.

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#34

Thanks Mike, Nooch & Brenton- !

@ Nooch- im glad to know its working for you. Hopefully, youll continue to be a member here next yr as well- perhaps we can monitor how the DUET worked for you over a longer term-

Take care !

#35

No problem Geff…if I can get enough experience or knowledge through the forum and decide to go ahead with it, I would gladly share actual pics as I go through the process to give a true sense of the results.

#36

Thanks, Nooch ! That would be great :slight_smile:

#37

Hi Mike–

I sent you an email a few days ago with pics- hopefully it isnt sitting in your spam folder :slight_smile: take your time to get back, no rush but just wanted to let you know-

Thanks! :slight_smile:

#38

Gosh, they did not arrive! Please try my email:
mikebono@cox.net

(I was at the art museum most of the day: BIG exhibit of Asian art … India, China and Japan. Amazing.)

#39

Hi - hope you enjoyed the museum-- Just sent another email with many pictures- am sending to the same address as i did before (one you mention here) - maybe its not going through because of 8 pictures attached?