what are the most important devices to be able to do good insertions? What budget would one need?
how long practise one needs (days/weeks/months) to be able to do good insertions and archieve a >50% hair removal in one clearance?
is it possible to archieve >50% hair removal in one pass with Sterex SX-B machine without burning the skin? Is this machine sufficient for home and semi-proffesional work?
is it good/possible to learn the insertions technique at home without proffesional supervision?
how many hours doing insertions with supervision would it take, and if Josefa would find some time for me/girlfriend to give us some practical lessions? Not for free, I would pay for them
what are the most important devices to be able to do good insertions? What budget would one need?
ANSWER: Magnification and lighting. Several hundred dollars to several thousand.
how long practise one needs (days/weeks/months) to be able to do good insertions and archieve a >50% hair removal in one clearance?
ANSWER: Good insertions can be in place within hours of practice…the permanence depends on the current application.
is it possible to archieve >50% hair removal in one pass with Sterex SX-B machine without burning the skin? Is this machine sufficient for home and semi-proffesional work?
ANSWER: I really don’t think so. Not because of the epilator, but I don’t believe that 50% of a person’s hair is even growing at one moment in time. Just my opinion.
is it good/possible to learn the insertions technique at home without proffesional supervision?
ANSWER: Possible, but not good. Having supervision will allow you to learn what you are doing right and wrong. Supervision will give you tips for placing your body and hands and things to look for with insertions and hair extraction.
You know that Marta has 4 years of doing body work, she still does not have my permission to work in the face and neck.
Seriously? Somebody who has 4 (!!!) years of experience, does not have permission to work in the face and neck?
How many years of experience one needs to work on face and neck? It seems that many electrologist begin to work on these areas very soon after graduating from school…
what are the most important devices to be able to do good insertions? What budget would one need?
With the youth that must be your girlfriend, she needs: a good view (if she needs glasses, which are well graded), a pair of hands, capacity of observation, and a great, great vocation.
Josefa, I am very sorry, but I do not agree with your statement.
I do respect you and your work, but I do think that magnification and lighting are very important. And bare eyes are not enough. The better magnification and lighting, the better.
I started working on my face on day one, with no previous instruction other than what I had read on this forum. I was very cautious with the levels at first and most of the hairs ended up being plucked rather than killed but after a few hours of practice I got the hang of insertion and started pulling out some nicely coagulated root sheaths occasionally.
I’d say it took me 20-30 hrs to really get consistent where I could kill hairs regardless of what growth phase they were in or how shallow the follicle was. That is the real difficulty of working in face and neck, some areas have deep follicles and others especially on the chinstrap are very shallow. Also you have the issue of hairs at many different directions/angles in the same area sometimes, some will be very steep angle and nearly flat against the skin and others may stick straight out but have curved follicle underneath.
This is why DIY is the best way to learn face, in my opinion… because the face is a very sensitive area, and when doing DIY you will very quickly learn how to feel the difference between a good insertion and a bad insertion… bad insertions are painful on most areas of the face even without turning the current on.
It is much, much more difficult to learn how to tell if an insertion is good when you can only feel it from the outside based on the resistance of the probe sliding in, etc… Given that, and the ease with which you can damage certain areas like the chin/neck with a bad insertion, I can understand why it might take years for someone to be really comfortable doing face/neck when they do not have the advantage of being able to learn it from the inside out (which is the case for practically all females since even ones with coarse terminal hairs will generally only have them in certain areas, so they wouldn’t get any experience working on other areas)
So far the only area I have which may form a minor pit/scar is from a badly distorted follicle on my goatee area which was hard to kill and kept becoming ingrown, I had to dig it out with tweezers multiple times… I’m pretty sure the tweezers did most of the damage.
Yes Ekade, lighting is important, of course, but sometimes the more powerful is the light, more likely to exist that the hair disappears from view. The magnification is important when you start need, i.e., when your eye begins to be vague.
A funny anecdote: a few months ago, two of my clients (mother and daughter) discussed between them because the mother had booked an appointment for her and daughter wanted to take her place. The argument of the young woman was quite convincing: “Mom, I need more electrolysis than you, because young men who can see your hair, not repair in you, and the old men who find you attractive, can not see your hairs”.
Well, after all, she was right.
Finally I managed to please both.
As for the time to start working on a customer’s face. Marta is a very responsible girl, but my intention is that she assume the responsibility that represents the face of a person.
Josefa, I really respect you and your work. I do think that you have a talent.
But I still think that good magnification is very important even for a person with eagle vision.
First, how close electrologist had to hunch to see hair good?
Second, many electrologist using surgical loupes and even microscopes, which gives magnification, the most excellent vision will never have.
And many of them say that they will never work without their magnification.
Of course, it is a point of preferences.
And I am not going to argue at any means.
Ekade… I think maybe something was lost in translation. I’m thinking that what Josefa meant was good vision is needed even if it needs to be corrected with glasses. Magnification is usually a given along with an epilator of course!!
If your vision is not corrected before magnification it is near impossible to make accurate insertions. Also, any issue with depth perception needs to be corrected.
Ekade, invest in any tool to improve the quality of our service is something that is always worthwhile. I’ll never hesitate to make a good investment.
A year ago I spent 2400 €, in custom glasses of Orascoptic , however I still using my binoculars of 180 € to most areas. That said, my point is that not we label an electrologist by the accessories or the certificates (by lot of money which has been invested in obtaining them). Here’s an example of what I say: this woman is using magnification and the most basic lighting that you can find on the market. Even so, she is doing an amazing job. Now add a surgical Loupe as Orascoptic, an incredible machine as the Platinum, a lamp as the dentists, and Doris Becker will remain the star of this video. Simply because, in my opinion, her technique is fabulous.
Note: Oh I forgot the most important accessory, a probe of high quality.
In that video is the electrologist using the “two-handed technique”? If an electrologist uses a one handed technique and zaps several hairs and then pulls them, will speed/time match up to two-handed method?
Far as I know, the aim of the art “two hands” is not to achieve higher speed. This is to apply just enough energy so that the hair is released without resistance. Neither more nor less, just enough. I do not know what method she is working on that video, but I suspect it is a thermolysis of a second or a second and a few tenths. Enough time for needle while working in a follicle, the hair above, can be extracted.
New technologies allow coagulate the follicles in a tenth or two tenths of a second (flash). I suspect that employ the technique “two hands” is difficult if you’re doing flash, but not impossible. I still believe that treating several follicles in a row and then use a few seconds to remove them is still faster. An average of 10 hairs per minute. This is 600 hairs every hour. I think so, definitely, the technique “group” is the quickest way to work.
Have you found your school, Fenix?
There will be times when you think that it is not worth the effort. Difficult customers get exhausted your patience, but believe me, if you like what you do, satisfied customers will be many more.
It depends on You and on the information You achieve. BTW: You speak of 50% efficency per treated hair, don’t You?
is it possible to archieve >50% hair removal in one pass with Sterex SX-B machine without burning the skin? Is this machine sufficient for home and semi-proffesional work?
The machine is the working horse of many electrologists here in Germany. Despite of that i believe that the SX-T or some other cheap thermolysis machine without blend option is fully sufficient for the beginning. If Your budget would allow for an SX-B, You really better spend the difference for high quality stereo loupes. Even at moderate magnifications of 2.5-3 (as offered by e.g. Elipa) these are much easier to the eyes and provide a much better visibility of the hair.
With a lot (!) of training it is possible to do manually controlled flash thermolysis with such machines; pulse lenths can be varied individually between less than 0.5 s and about 1 s. The rests of my facial hair is being removed this way.
is it good/possible to learn the insertions technique at home without proffesional supervision?
Tranining at home is essential here in Germany. The seminars offered here are simply too short to provide more than a basic but still reasonable theroretical background and a basic introduction to the working techniques (i have done courses A and B of Elipa).
BTW: i would recommend working on Your own legs or - if possible - meet with another beginner and train on each other. Again legs and arms are least critical. Please let me stress that i consider this important in addition to any professional training.
how many hours doing insertions with supervision would it take,
Even after a few Years of practice i feel the need of at least occasional professional mentoring - admittedly on a different level than a beginner. You never should stop learning.
A remark on the needle: although i prefer 2 piece plain steel needles for training purposes, i achieve less painful results with Ballet one piece - and in sensitive skin healing is better when the probe has a good gold cover which does not wear out after some minutes of work.
Not for free, I would pay for them 
Not for free, I would pay for them 
