Hi,
Anyone used kalo and does it work?
Other than PR by Kalo, I’ve never read anything positive about Kalo.
It seems that consumer beware website promotes this product. Andrea who are those people on her site that are trying the product and report only positive results. What could kitty be gaining by pushing the Kalo product on innocent people? Am I getting to outspoken but I’m with you Andrea. Those who prey on the weak don’t make me happy!
“Kitty” doesn’t understand how unreliable and difficult it is to evaluate hair removal based on personal experiences from anonymous posters. “Kitty” might be well-intentioned, but she adds an air of legitimacy to a scientifically illegitimate test. All the people in the test want to see results and were given free samples. Add that to the complication of results by waxing, and you have a recipe for very skewed observations.
As we’ve seen here, some people will swear shaving makes hair come in thicker based on personal observations, even though there is a raft of published data showing that this is not the case. Use of personal experience is a hallmark of the quack’s success. look at all the weight-loss scams that use similar tactics. As with we ight loss, the real trick with a product like Kalo that claims to be permanent is the long-term results. “Kitty” encourages people to say “I think it’s working!”
Consumer experiences are useful, but they are no substitute for published clinical data. Consumers swear that magnet mattress pads and other silly gadgets cure ailments, too. Judging something like hair growth patterns is impossible unless done under the most rigorous clinical conditions. “Kitty” doesn’t get that, so she ends up confusing consumers and helping the quacks. But then, she’s made a living doing that for many years now with GHR and other quackery, so why stop now?
Actually,
I’d have to disagree with what you’re saying about the Kalo test cause it’s not true. Yeah, 20 people including myself were sent a free trial bottle, but it hasn’t affected the way I post at all. I’ve only used it about three times, and I posted I didn’t see any results. There are various other people that have posted saying they don’t see many results, if any. I don’t know if it’s had permanent results for some people or not. There are several posts about it of people that aren’t even in the trial. Also, I don’t know why you let your past feud with Kitty cause you to take shots at her in several posts all over this board. You’re just coming off as bitter, and it seems really juvenile to me. If you have have personal issues with her, then you should keep it personal. There have never been any posts bad mouthing you on her boards that I’ve ever seen. This is supposed to be about hair removal, not vengeance on other people.
Hi Todd–
Welcome, and thanks for the posts.
As I’ve noted elsewhere, Kalo relies on consumers who make premature reports about their progress (“it’s been two weeks and I know it’s permanent”). They also know that there are a lot of variables besides Kalo that can make it appear as if you have fewer hairs, including the placebo effect. Finally, they know that the majority of people who swear it’s working at first will be too embarassed to admit they were mistaken later. In fact, embarassment and attrition is what drives a business like Kalo. Most consumers will not raise a stink if it doesn’t work, and few will bother to go to the effort of returning the stuff for a refund. It’s the exact same business models used by scams selling breast and penis enlargement products that fill your email inbox. Those scams make the same claims as Kalo: 100% natural, 100% guaranteed, proven, tested, blah, blah, blah. They make unsubstantiated claims of quantifiable results, and they play into the insecurities of people who are willing to try anything that might work the way these things claim.
Here’s the real test of Kalo: find me ten people… no, find me ONE person who can go one year after final Kalo treatment without needing supplemental hair removal in the treated area. They don’t exist.
“Kitty” is the type of person who is easily drawn in by quackery like electric tweezers and Kalo, and this site is designed to combat that sort of unscientific nonsense and unsubstantiated claims.
Regarding the “Kitty” site, “Kitty” removes any posts that mention this site. If you’d like to see juvenile, go over to the “Kitty” site and type the words “hairfacts” and “hairtell” into your post.
This board is now one year old, and in that time, we alkready have hundreds more members than “Kitty” has had since 1998. I think that goes to show that consumers know when they are dealing with legitimate information. The “Kitty” site gives a place for quacks who hire her to congregate, which is cool. We’re going to stick to commercial-free facts here.
Actually in my post, I was not defending Kalo in any way. Like I said, I don’t know if it works or not. Kitty’s current forum has been up for about a year now, not since 98. It doesn’t matter who’s forum has more members. Does that make one forum better than the other? Also, there are mods there besides Pretty Lady that aren’t involved in the hair removal business. There are no ads of any product or promotion of anything. i just think you’re taking this grudge towards her a little too far. What did you mean by electric tweezers also? Isn’t an epilator an electronic tweezer?
I think this is a classic case of a ‘grudge’ on both sides.
The main thing that bothers me about the other forum are the number of people there who seem desperate to grasp onto just about anything, and who are very ready to take the opinions of a few as gospel truth. But that bothers me about a lot of places, even here sometimes, and it’s mostly a problem with humanity. 
Personally, I think the whole Kalo thing is just pretty dumb, and I do think that–among other things–tends to be handled somewhat unprofessionally over there, but finding professionalism among board admins really isn’t all that common. I’m far more likely to object to the fact that Kitty’s made some people moderators who seem, if anything, to be worse about grasping at every little possible ‘miracle cure’ than the general readership, just because it sets a bad example.
Kalo, in itself, is just overpriced and a bit dodgy, but there’s no shortage of that in the world. Nad’s is overpriced and actually a less effective sugaring solution than most. That Epil-Stop stuff can cause chemical burns. And Christ, look at what people spend on weight loss products! At least, I suppose, Kalo’s unlikely to be giving anybody burns or heart attacks or anything like that. The joys of capitalism!
It says there are more members here than Kitty’s boards. Though, there is definitely more activity going on at Kitty’s boards. Like I said, it seems childish to me to bash someone every chance they get. Saying you need a donation for your kittens in which you use reference to Kitty is just childish. I mean, this forum is supposed to be about hair removal, not taking out your anger towards other people. This isn’t elementary school.
Corvaith, you’re right-- my issues with “Kitty” are very long and complicated, but it comes down to the fact that “Kitty” has a history associating with quacks and their products. She’s part of the problem, though she seems a little quieter these days about it all.
Kalo is an unproven product that may or not be completely worthless. Since it’s not being tested under controlled clinical conditions, it has no legitimate proof it can work as claimed. Like similar scams, such as breast or penis enlargement creams, Kalo counts on consumers who:
- Have a self-esteem issue related to appearance
- Are desperate to try anything that MIGHT work
- Have an embarassing condition that will make them unlikely to seek a refund
- Rely heavily on early reports of placebo effects (“I think it’s working!”) to convince other consumers
- Use phrases like “100% guaranteed”
- Use phrases like “100% natural”
- Use phrases like “Doctor-approved”
- Use phrases like “Clinically proven”
- Make claims of quantifiable results that have no basis in fact.
Next time you get a spam advertising a penis enlargement product, look how closely the language looks like the Kalo ads. That should give you a good sense of what you’re dealing with. It’s funny how people who wouldn’t dream of falling for a scam like a breast pill will jump at a hair inhibitor using the exact same sales pitch.
Todd, no matter how you count it, this site has more members, daily posts, and current topics than the “Kitty” site. And since she uses a fake name and we’ve never seen a picture of “Kitty,” I thought I’d share one of her:
<img src=“http://www.andreajames.com/images/wetkitty.jpg” alt="" />
As usual, “Kitty” is all wet! 
[ April 14, 2003, 04:31 AM: Message edited by: Andrea ]