Can you actually feel when your needle/probe has reached the root (even fine hair)…is there some resistance to going in too deep?
Can I also ask…is it possible to pluck fine hair and not actually feel it being plucked? I hope this makes sense…it’s just that sometimes I’ve grasped a hair between my fingers at home and it’s came away with absolutely no resistance or pain.
Sorry for all the questions…I’m just trying to gage if I’m getting good treatments.
Thank you guys & girlies!
A well trained practitioner can feel the anchor, and the bottom of the follicle.
Yes, some hairs may be plucked without any sensation whatsoever.
Thanks James, now I’m in even more of a quandry! There really is noway of me knowing if I’m getting good treatments then…all I can do is hope for the best and see what happens months down the line. I’ve already done this once before, did a full year of weekly appointments with a local lady, only to find I was getting nowhere…perhaps that’s why I now have many courser hairs among the fine ones. I’m pulling my hair out with stress over this one (pardon the pun)!!
Maxine
Actually, in my experience, what looks like getting nowhere often is just not getting anywhere fast enough. It is hard to know without taking before, during and after pictures.
I personally can feel the bottom of a follicle, and assumed all of us could, until I read in one of Mike Bono’s books that he can’t, and he is considered an expert. So if all other aspects of your treatments are good, then I wouldn’t worry too much. What made you think to ask this? Do you feel like your electrologist is going to deep, too shallow? Have you discussed it with him/her?
We can’t see through the skin. However, we have some clues as to how to work. Follow the angle the hair is exiting the skin.
When a hair is removed from the base, measure it against the probe, see how deep that hair was. Then, for other hairs in that area, insert at that depth. Check the hairs to see if they are indeed as deep as the prior tested one. Seeing how long the hair is as it slides out of the follicle and measuring it against your probe is proof of depth and a very good guide.
If you are black and blue - bruised, chances are the insertion is too deep. If you are feeling too much tugging, could be the insertion is off angle, insertion is too shallow, or the settings are not adequate.
Feeling for the base of the follicle is subjective. Measuring what you can actually see, is better science so all of you who are not feeling the base, don’t worry. Look for actual signs of depth and you will be okay! Remember, its a science and an art.
The reason I ask is not because I’m experiencing bruising, nor am I feeling tugging (bareing in mind most of the hair is very fine). I have asked my Electrologist how she knows when to zap…and she told me she could feel the slight resistence when the probe makes contact with the root. She doesn’t use magnification as the hairs disappear under the mag lamp, instead she uses the light and tilting my head in a way that the hairs catch the light. I know that this is a no no, especially with hairs so fine, but believe it or not finding an Electrologist in the UK who has good magnification and lighting is a real problem. I’ve visited 5 Electrologist and all of them only had halo type visuals…this may be fine for darker or thicker hairs but definately not fine ones, as a result the darker hairs they can see get treated but then I’m still left with the fine blonde ones that they can’t see. Why is it a fair amount of American Electrologists get the good mag/visual thing, and in the UK they are just too bone ideal to see that it’s good for business and the consumer too.
People seem to group together to do the same thing just as a pack of animals would.
I bet if one or two electrologists in the UK got medical style magnification and clients were ditching their regular electrologists in favor of the two progressive electrologists with better vision equipment, then the rest of the pack would have to do the same in order to compete. These electrologists just may not know that there is something better for them to use. What we learn from our local electrologist leaders, sticks with us, unless we decide for ourselves that we want to explore and venture away from what is considered the “norm”. Same principle goes for epilator choices.
Dee
I don’t know that you are correct on that assumption my friend, a few electrologists around me went out of business instead of either upgrading or dealing with competing with me at a disadvantage. One of them was even offered to come work with me, and thus get trained on the new stuff, AND would not even have to buy any of the equipment, as I owned it all in duplicate.
She looked over the books I wanted her to read first, and came back in a week and said, “Good Grief? This is a lot of information! I just can’t deal with all this. I think I will just stick to working in salons and leave electrolysis alone.”
Hi Max,
I don’t know about the tax laws for businesses in England but in the US, there are financial incentives, tax benefits, for me to invest in tools and equipment.
There is an electrology author and educator in England, Ann Gallant, who might be able to guide you to some answers. Google her and see if she is still around. Last I knew, she was at the Chichester College and also Gloucestershire College of Arts & Technology.
Arlene, I will Google Ann Gallant and what the web throughs up…thanks for that!
I’m so exhausted with this mag/visual thing that I’ve even resorted to emailing a loupe supplier in the hope that they will push promoting surgical loupes to the beauty and Electrolysis industry. Here’s the email I sent to one such supplier in the UK.
-QTE-
Dear Sirs,
I was wondering if your company promotes surgical loupes to the
beauty industry? The reason I ask is that I’m having a very hard time finding an Electrolysis in the UK that actually has decent magnification in order to remove lots of fine bothersome hair. I’m only guessing that Electrologists are not high on the agenda as customers to most loupe suppliers.
My search has been going on for over 6 years and it not getting any easier…the American’s seem to have got the idea that good magnification is good for business!! Our UK Beauticans and Electrologists would actually benefit, and so would the consumer…I’m sure you’ll agree!
I’d appreciate some feedback if you have a moment!
Thanking you most gratefully
Mrs Clarke
-UNQTE-
This is their response:
-QTE-
Dear Mrs Clarke,
Thank you for your email. Lemonchase ltd does not actively promote to
the
beauty industry although there is no reason why people outside the
surgical/dental sector cannot purchase the loupes. Lemonchase ltd also
supplies
other equipment that is used by surgeons and dentists so this does tend
to be
the sector that the business is focussed on.
Yours sincerely,
Judith
Judith Noble
Direct Mobile +44 (0) 7920 495 014, Direct Fax +44 (0) 151 625 1386
Lemonchase ltd, The Brewery, Bells Yew Green, Tunbridge Wells, KENT
TN3 9BD
Office Tel: +44 (0)1892 752 305 Office Fax: +44(0)1892 752 192
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It Doesn’t sound like they are interested in promoting their business to the the beauty industry. I was hoping that they would at least say that it was an idea they were considering.
So there you have it!
Maxine
well done Maxine excellent effort on your part!
Hi Max,
I have an idea.
Sterex Electrolysis International is a major manufacturer of electrolysis needles/probes and they happen to be in Birmingham B11 2 AP, England. They also offer continuing education to electrologists. Contact them, discuss your concerns. Perhaps they might see the benefits of adding a line of eyewear and lighting to an already existing customer base. If not, you might then find out why business in the UK does not find such endeavors profitable.
My thoughts on the matter - the telescopes and microscopes and fiber optic equipment is very expensive for the distributor to carry.
If this expensive and delicate inventory doesn’t sell quickly enough, then the distributor is stuck with expensive merchandise on the shelves. Maybe the British businesses have to eat their losses. I don’t know your tax laws.
Maybe you can become a distributor. Good luck.
Arlene, thanks for the idea…I hadn’t thought of putting the idea to Sterex! Well I did email them this evening asking them if they actually promoted visual and lighting awareness. I also asked them if they would consider promoting sugical loupes. Hopefully I’ll get some feedback…but I won’t hold my breathe.
I’ll keep you posted!
Maxine