INFORMATIVE READ::My Story

Hello all, it’s my 1st post on this forum and maybe I will have many more to come? :slight_smile: I will tell you some things I learned on LHR while of course having it performed on me.

I’m white, a guy and had dark-thick hair all over my face, full beard almost up to end of my neck. Even when I shaved I still looked un-shaven, red marks and pimples everywhere after shaving, and I shaved every other day, If I shaved everyday I would have cut myself, that was like since 16, now I’m 21.

To make a long story short, when I was 20 years old I heard from a friend about laser, so I decided to make an appointment and go.

First appointment hurt like hell and I paid about $150 for it, I did only some of my face. Than 2nd appointment, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, I think I had about 30 appointments so far in 1.5 years I been going. Most were 2-8 minute ones, whenever I felt like going.

During my first 7-8 months of laser (and I didnt pay that much anymore, it was wbout $40 to $60 tops) my hair always re-grew after 2-3 weeks after laser treatment all the time, not all of it, but up to %80 off of it. I remembered that always after the “treatment” the technician put some “gel” on me, some coolant, you know those “creams, gels” that you put after laser? Well, I stopped putting them on my face after laser treatment and had my face red for 1-2 weeks, but guess what? The hair didnt grow back.

In my experience is that, after Laser do not put any creams/gels on your treated area, why? because it will heal and thus result in hair re-growing as in my case, and I know it because now my face is cleared of any hair, the hair is not growing back, I wish I knew that sooner.

Just try it, do not put any creams or gels on your treated area, and you will see that no hair will come back. Also as a precaution, anyone who isn’t sick do not take any kind of vitamins, they affect growing of hairs also.

Thats it, thank you, I hope this may save you some $$ at the Laser. :slight_smile:

So you had about 1.6 laser treatments per month on your face? What kind of laser was used or were you getting treated with an IPL?

Thanks,

Dee

I have absolute no idea what laser was used… but i was getting almost always between 14 up to 24 on my face, lips, chin, neck, all face…

The clinic is in Michigan, called Michigan Laser Centers, they are in Sterling HTS, and other counties here in Michigan.

The lady that did it is a Licensed Nurse she’s arab, and she doesnt charage much, all face probally $75… I never had any scars, or burns.

Also just to add, I do not put any Creams/gels on my face anymore, and i see no hair growing.

Here is their WEBSITE

http://michiganlasercenters.com/

After how many treatments did you stop having “gel” put on your face? Do you what kind of “gel” or “cream” you were using? Was it Aloe Vera?

Why did you keep going back after so many treatments? And why so frequently?

Also, how do you know that vitamins affect hair growth?

Thanks for your very interesting story.

Okay, thanks. I’m betting this center uses a YAG laser, which is better to use for skin of color.

That seems like a lot of treatments spaced so close together. It would be so helpful if you could report back about that gel substance used.

How long have you been hair-free without treatment?

Thanks for your help, bezmierny.

Dee

As far as I remember the first 9 months I was always putting gels, creams, like “Aquaphor gel” I think also that Vera Gel and Palmers Cocoa Butter Formula, thats right.

After those 9-10 months (going 1-2 times a month to the clinic for a quickie…lol) I stopped putting those creams on my face and after that the hair stopped growing, than I just went about 3-4 times in the next 5 months just for QUICKIES, and I mean just like 2 minutes for one 1inch area, or 2-3 hair, sometimes I wasnt charged at all, she did me for free really fast.

I kept going because all other Laser Techs told me they’ll charge me up to $700 for Face…and well I get discounts and the most I pay is $50 , but mostly $30, sometime for free.

Last time I was at the clinic for a QUICKIE (fast…2-3 minutes…not even) was like 2.3 months ago, but when I went you have to realize that I had really really small amount of hair growing…the tech herself told me that I have a smooth face.

And yes, vitamins, I use to take those vitamins…with vi C,E,D etc. those Multi-vits and they do promote hair growth, at least for me as I felt that they did, I dont take them, I feel better, but thats just me, I just hope that some of you it may help?

most than likely, creams have nothing to do with this. aloe vera etc doesn’t stimulate hair to grow. after 9 months, you should have started seeing results and no hair growing back due to having gone through most of the hair cycles, and thus killing most of the hair that was there. stopping with the cream was most likely coincidental.

did your hair shed after every treatment? what did you experience every time? having several treatments a month is a lot, but I see that it ws cheap for you. Please keep reporting back if you can several months and a year from today so you can judge better what kind of permanence you achieved.

thanks for your story.

Well I just posted what I experienced, and YES creams had alot to do with it, at least in my case, I just know 'cause I just do.

All I’m trying to do is save some $$$ for people. I didnt use creams and thus had no hair re-growing, when I did use them, they did re-grow.

Of course, many “laser techs” etc. may tell you otherwise since They want your $$$ for more and more appointments.

most places actually don’t sell or give you any creams. i personally never used any or was upsold on any. they’re not necessary.

Well this is Michigan, not Mexifornia. so differs a bit i guess. :slight_smile:

that’s not related. i’m talking about all clinics in general. depends on how money-hungry the place is. can be located anywhere. the notorious chain that’s discussed here often upsells creams a lot. but honestly, there are certain creams that do stimulate hair growth, but not the ones you mention and not any that are recommended for healing after LHR. if you do a bit of research on how hair grows and how hair growth cycles work, you will see that the effect was in line with what should have happened at 9 months. hair grows in 3 phases, and at any time only at most 30% is in active growing phase with the rest being dormant. you need multiple treatments to kill hair in various cycles and you achieve a considerable reduction after about 4 treatments (with avg 10 week intervals), which is at around 9 months. Same with electrolysis btw. Just read up on how it works and you’ll understand. I’m not trying to convince you personally. You’re free to believe what you want, but it’s most likely coincidental unless you were using hair creams with certain ingredients that cause hair growth. There is no medical explanation for your hypothesis, but there is a logical one given hair cycles.

Let me tell you, and everyone who maybe doesnt know already. Vitamin E promtoes hair growth, Aquaphor I was using had Vit E, so does Palmers Cocoa butter and that Vera cream I had been using. First learn about what each vitamin does**** Second, most foods we buy at stores is genetically engineered, filtered and sprayed with who-knows what chemicals, and yes that has effects on the hair.

You can say what you want and believe it really, Its up to you I mean, why are you even saying that? People will read this and deceide for themselves, you shouldn’t say that gels/creams have no effect because they do! :slight_smile:

But, again its up to the people, if they wanna put cream/gel thats fine, I just stated what I had experienced and am experiencing, and for me it worked and thus I saved alot of money.

Also, at many clinics I know they tell people to put Avera gels or w/e gels or creams after the treatment to heal, and problem with that is, skin will heal faster, but hair will re-grow faster…just research these creams and their “vitamins” and what each “vitamin” does.

Medical researchers also approve chemotherapy, and you know what that does? read Hydrazine Sulfate scandal. :slight_smile: Hydrazine Sulfate scandal

are you suggesting there is research supporting your theory of Vitamin E promoting hair growth? i couldn’t find any. if you did, please post a link for us. if vitamin E caused hair growth, bald men would be very happy. I’ve used it myself on several areas and that never happened. If you said Retin A does, yes, or even Vitamin D3. read on the electrolysis forum here. a lot of people use aloe vera for aftercare and it has no impact on results. Plus, aloe vera is used for a lot of various things and this has never been observed or noted in any study.

like i said above, there ARE a few ingredients in certain things that DO cause hair growth, but not in the products you’re mentioning. Yes, people who read this will make their own conclusions. I’m just pointing out that your perception is not a study, which means there is no control to compare to, meaning you don’t know what would have happened at 9 months if you never used any of the creams in the first place. While there are STUDIES that have been done. And it doesn’t sound like you did your research on how laser hair removal or hair growth cycles work. So, you may think you’re observing one thing, when it can be something else. Unless you are aware of all aspects of what you are talking about, it really should be taken with a grain of salt. That’s all I’m saying.

Retin A is actually the most common ingredient that is known to cause extra hair growth. But here are some quotes and links of others:

“exogenous androgens - medications such as Estratest®, danazol, anabolic steroids in some of the body building supplements and even some birth control pills containing norgestrel (e.g., Lo-Ovral®, Ovrette®) can cause increased hair growth.”

“excessive hairiness can be caused by disorders of the pituitary gland, adrenal glands, or ovaries that result in overproduction of male hormones. The condition may also result from the use of certain drugs, such as minoxidil, phenytoin, cyclosporine.”

Vitamin D3 analogs stimulate hair growth in nude mice. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query…p;dopt=Citation

Here’s a good link with all various causes described:

http://www.pdrhealth.com/patient_education/BHG01EN13.shtml

Citations from researchers are what convinces me, or at least lends some credence to statements. Anecdotal statements and observations are used for things not studied. If you have information on such studies on Vitamin E and hair growth, please share it with the viewers. We would be interested to take a look.

It really does sound like you went through three hair growth cycles and the laser hit all the growing hair as it was meant, too.

Here is some information about Vitamin E from Skin and Allergy News :

"DR. LESLIE BAUMANN is director of cosmetic dermatology at the University of Miami. Melissa Lazarus, a research fellow at the university, contributed to the column. To respond to this column, write to Dr. Baumann at our editorial offices.

Vitamin E is frequently found in cosmeceutical products. It functions as a preservative, has excellent moisturizing capabilities, and has been promoted most recently for its photoprotective effects. However, its use has been also associated with a high incidence of contact dermatitis.

Vitamin E includes the tocopherols and the tocotrienols. It is found naturally in many vegetables, corn, oils, seeds, soy, wholewheat flour, nuts, and margarine. It is also found in some meat and dairy products.

The biologically active forms are α-tocopherol and γ-tocopherol; free dα-tocopherol is the most biologically active form. These forms act as lipid-soluble antioxidants.

Vitamin E is found naturally in the membranes of cells and organelles. It protects cell membranes from peroxidation and scavenges free radicals; therefore, it is believed to help prevent cardiovascular disease and the “aging” of the arteries.

While studies outside the field of dermatology have convincingly suggested the benefits of oral vitamin E supplementation, the dermatologic benefits are still unknown.

A study by Dr. Karla Werninghaus and her colleagues at Boston University showed that oral supplementation with 400 IU vitamin E was not photoprotective in humans and did not increase vitamin E levels in skin biopsy specimens after 1 month and 6 months of supplementation (Arch. Dermatol. 130[10]:1257-61, 1994).

Conversely, a study by C. Weber and colleagues at the University of California, Berkeley, showed that vitamin E levels were depleted in animal skin exposed to UV radiation, and this depletion was prevented by the topical application of vitamin E (Free Radic. Biol. Med. 22[5]:761-69, 1997).

Further, a study by Beth Anne Jurkiewicz and her colleagues at the University of Iowa, Iowa City, showed that topical tocopherol provided significant protection against UV-radiation-induced damage to animal skin (J. Invest. Dermatol. 104[4]:484-88, 1995).

While it has been suggested that topical application of α-tocopherol confers an SPF of 3 after multiple applications, this effect is believed to be due to its ability to marginally absorb light (Cosmet. Dermatol. 12[9]:17-20, 1999).

Inhibition of UV-induced skin erythema and edema with the use of topical vitamin E has not been shown in human skin. If vitamin E provides any photoprotective effect at all, it may require interaction with other antioxidants to do so, particularly since other antioxidants (such as vitamin C, selenium, and thiols) are essential for the recycling of tocopherol.

It has also been suggested that vitamin E may exert anti-inflammatory effects on the skin through the inhibition of chemical mediator production and release. Vitamin E stabilizes lysosomes, reduces prostaglandin E2 synthesis, and increases interleukin-2 production. This results in anti-inflammatory and immunostimulatory effects (J. Am. Acad. Dermatol. 39[4, pt. 1]:611-25, 1998).

Topically applied vitamin E has been associated with several different adverse reactions at the application site, including contact urticaria, eczematous dermatitis, and erythema multiforme-like reactions (Cutis 47[3]:193-96, 1991).

While the majority of these adverse reaction reports are anecdotal, a study conducted by M. Jenkins and colleagues at the Shriners Burn Institute in Cincinnati on the use of topical vitamin E for postoperative scarring showed that local reactions occurred in 20% of cases (J. Burn Care Rehabil. 7[4]:309-10, 1986).

A study that I conducted on the use of vitamin E for scars showed a 33% rate of localized reaction in study patients (Dermatol. Surg. 25[4]:311-15, 1999).

The addition of vitamin E to cosmetic and hygiene products has spurred reports of adverse reactions.

A Swiss study in 1992 examined 1,000 cases of an unusual papular and follicular contact dermatitis caused by vitamin E linoleate that was used as an additive to cosmetic products. The investigator concluded that oxidized vitamin E derivatives could act synergistically in vivo as haptens or as irritants (Dermatology 189[3]:225-33,1994).

Mennen E aerosol deodorant was removed from the market also following many reports of allergic contact dermatitis (Rietschel, R., and Fowler, J. “Fisher’s Contact Dermatitis,” 4th ed. [Baltimore: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, 1995]).

Even though vitamin E appears to be a very effective antioxidant when taken systemically, its role as a topical antioxidant remains unclear. A study conducted by H. Kappus and A.T. Diplock of Free University Berlin suggests that daily doses up to 400 mg are completely safe and that doses between 400 mg and 2,000 mg are not likely to cause adverse side effects (Free Radic. Biol. Med. 13[1]:55-74, 1992).

However, doses greater than 3,000 mg daily when taken over a long period may cause side effects. Patients on anticoagulant therapy and patients undergoing surgical procedures should avoid doses of vitamin E greater than 4,000 IU (J. Am. Acad. Dermatol. 39[4, pt. 1]:611-25, 1998).

In addition, vitamin E should be stopped 10 days prior to collagen injections, and other treatments that can cause bruising in order to decrease the chance of bruising.

When used topically, α-tocopherol acetate is an excellent moisturizer and is included in many products for this reason (Dermatol. Clin. 18[4]:597-607, 2000). It has also been shown to prevent light damage to products while they are on the shelves in stores and is added for preservative benefits."

© 2001 International Medical News Group. Published by Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

Interesting thread. Maybe some people do see more hair growth from topical Vitamin E. It could be a rare side effect too. There’s just not a lot of data on that. If there is any cause and effect, I would think the effect would be only temporary. After one stops taking Rogaine for male pattern baldness, all the stimulated hair growth ceases.

It is good that you raised the issue. We’ll have to see if anyone has had the same experience.

I have had Aquaphor applied to my chest after laser and electrolysis, and to my armpits after electrolysis. Never have I seen an adverse effect with hair regrowth compared to areas where no cream was used. Also, I only used it right after the treatments, never any longer than the day after.

I do use Aquaphor in my nose to keep it from drying out. And, come to think of it I do have a lot of nose hair, but I did before I used the Aquaphor so that is most likely a coincidence.

RJC2001

Well I only did LASER on my FACE, so it all differs on different areas of the body, skin color, race etc.

I never did any body except FACE, and thou I just wrote what I experienced and what Might help people try it. Remember: I only LASERED my entire FACE! I’m white male, eastern european, have kind of dark skin type. And have used Aquaphor, Palmers Cocoa Butter and Vera as far as I know and they all after Laser promoted hair to re-grow. When I stopped using those creams/gels the hair didnt re-grow. So, there is nothing technical-medical, its just Me. I don’t care if any people take this and try it or just ignore it since Its them paying money not me, I’m just writing what I have experienced and just sharing in hopes that it may save some people money and time, there is nothing a person can lose from trying it.

P.S.

Yes, I’m staying away as far as possible from creams/gels, havent put anything on my face for almost 3 months now, and no hair. But, everybody has different hormones and reactions and effects to different drugs/pills/creams etc. Might just be me, but take this informatino for all its worth. Thank You. :slight_smile:

Aside from the vitamin E thing it’s an interesting thought. If we try to heal the skin after laser whether supplements or creams, would that help the follicles repair themselves easier therefore produce hair again.

Exactly grumpy! That was in my case at least. Remember: my skin was really red for about 2 weeks when I did not put any creams/gels (didnt use any supplements) but it all went away and now im hair free and they aren’t growing.

Exactly grumpy! That was in my case at least. Remember: my skin was really red for about 2 weeks when I did not put any creams/gels (didnt use any supplements) but it all went away and now im hair free and they aren’t growing.

I’m not disputing your experience. It does at least make one stop and think. There could be issues with certain products, but I don’t think it would apply to all creams and gels. BTW, my jar of Aquaphor does not have Vitamin E in it, although they may have or had different formulas. Basically mine is just mineral oil, petrolatum, etc.

RJC2001

exactly. even if it’s not a coincidence, it would be one ingredient that’s causing it, so all creams/gels you’re talking about would have to have it.