I love that baby dog. Calms my soul.
Dogs are my favorite people Dee … we all need to be more like DOGS! Actually, most animals are nicer than humans anyway.
Lost someplace in our predictably-scripted “modality harangue” (it does get oppressive doesn’t it … almost feels like bullying?), was an interesting idea … hidden deeply within the torrent.
There was mention that DC (alone) would result in less hyperpigmentation. This interests me, because I don’t know the answer, and I had never thought about this.
I suppose the question would be: Does the hyperpigmentation take place (only) because of the body’s own inflammatory response, or does the “heat” of thermolysis add to the resulting hyperpigmentation? I don’t know.
I would probably posit the first explanation (“it’s your own body”). Still, a nicely conducted experiment would be very interesting … well, to me anyway.
So few of us use “straight” DC anymore … so, the question is sort of moot anyway.
Let me further say that the young woman, with whom I disagreed (and so did you all), is a new electrologist filled with the zeal of her profession. Sure she had some “misguided” ideas. However, the response to her was harsh, nasty, overwhelming and not very welcoming.
I don’t think we should jump down the throat of people expressing ideas with whom we disagree (or know to be incorrect). Indeed, I do understand the feelings … I have reacted with anger too when some of my empirical facts are challenged by stubborn people that have no idea of what the hell I’m doing.
Overall, I think we all need to lighten-up on our “cherished ideology.” Maybe that’s why there are so few electrologists posting on Hairtell?
For myself, I want to welcome this smart and eager “new” electrologist. Let’s not have such “thin skin” in our profession.
Let me further say that the young woman, with whom I disagreed (and so did you all), is a new electrologist filled with the zeal of her profession. Sure she had some “misguided” ideas. However, the response to her was harsh, nasty, overwhelming and not very welcoming.
I don’t think we should jump down the throat of people expressing ideas with whom we disagree (or know to be incorrect). Indeed, I do understand the feelings … I have reacted with anger too when some of my empirical facts are challenged by stubborn people that have no idea of what the hell I’m doing.
Overall, I think we all need to lighten-up on our “cherished ideology.” Maybe that’s why there are so few electrologists posting on Hairtell?
For myself, I want to welcome this smart and eager “new” electrologist. Let’s not have such “thin skin” on our profession.
After rereading the previous thread i do not think that we were harsh and not welcoming. We just felt the need to react, and at least i felt a bit insulted from these postings. And so made my position clear in a hopefully polite way.
The question of hyperpigmentation interests me as well. Understanding this relationship is helpful even in the context of fast thermolysis.
On one side, hyperpigmentation is part of a normal wound reaction, isn’t it?
On my skin it occurs mostly in the healing phase of larger scrapes (e.g. caused by accidents from inline skating) - so there is obviously not heating involved.
On the other hand, i see it occasionally as a side effect of my work. Luckily not too often. But if i notice hyperpigmentation my usual reaction is to modify the modality toward a longer pulse with less intensity.
Main motivation is my independent observation that in the time/intensity regimes i am usually working in there is a clear opposite relationship between pain and side effects of healing - i mentioned a pretty extreme example further up in this thread. And so the basic idea is tailoring the treatment toward easier healing in general instead of less pain - if the client accepts.
Beate, ich denke, dies ist eine genaue Einschätzung. Das Pigment Bedingung scheint zu extremeren mit einer stärkeren Behandlung zu werden. Ich werde ein paar Experimente zu versuchen.
Beate, ich denke, dies ist eine genaue Einschätzung. Das Pigment Bedingung scheint zu extremeren mit einer stärkeren Behandlung zu werden. Ich werde ein paar Experimente zu versuchen.
Okay … “acting up” again?
Anywhoo … agreeing with Beate and starting some experimentation.
I am in agreement with Beate. I don’t see where there was any harshness or an unwelcoming attitude toward a new electrolgoist ( who I had no way of knowing that she was a new electrologist). No thin-skinned drama either. Just conversation.
Anytime declarative statements are made about Thermolysis being only for fine hair, it will not go unnoticed. I don’t care how many times the subject comes up, it is an untruth that cannot be ignored. We are educating consumers here, after all.
Since, no one has re-written the electrolysis text books in th past several decades, we rely on disseminating accurate information through places like Hairtell and the closed facebook discussion sites for electrologist’s only. I think we do a great job talking and sharing with each other on those closed sites and I would be glad to, as one of the moderators, to add you, Lily, to the group at Electrology International (if I haven’t done so already - there are so many requests that it’s hard to remember) . June Adams will put you through at our British sister site at HairShoot. You can also join our other sister site in Spain, The AEE. Social media provides REAL TIME learning for SEASONED and new electrologists. There is a lot of diversity of thought to expand on what you think you know. How I love all the ladies and gents on those sites. We never stop learning and refining our approach to performing electrolysis. The support we all receive is tremendous. So, I hope to see a request from you to join us real soon!
For students, I wish that all modalities were taught with an unbiased attitude. We should know how to perform all three modalities with skill and ease. In the real working world of electrolysis care, when you are running a business and the demand is high for your services, I have found that what people want is for you to get the hair off as fast as possible. We live in a fast society and … we have laser hair reduction now, so we are expected to perform … FAST. Though I have the highest reverence and respect for multi-probe electrolysis, many of my clients would throw in the towel and give up. It is fine for smaller areas, but not for a full grown man’s back with ‘500,000’ follicles!
I did multi-probe galvanic from 1999 to 2003 on a digital Gentronics ( a fabulous multi-probe EPILATOR with individual circuits for those 16 wires) so I’m just not blowing air. I’m glad I know how to do this modality. I m glad I know how to do blend. I know how to do the different variations of thermolysis. Because I have experienced doing all three fabulous modalities for more than ‘three minutes’, it is easier for me to make conclusions about when, what and why I choose to do what I choose to use.
Conclusion: Modern Thermolysis works on any size, strength or color of hair, same as Blend and Galvanic. Too bad most schools and most mentors to students do not stress this truth enough. Be the best multi-needle specialist you can be, but be careful not overlook the real world possibilities offered with the other fabulous modalities. I hope you receive this as friendly advice because that’s the spirit in which it was given.
The schools only teach the equipment they sell Dee. That’s it.
Yes, and it only makes sense. I can’t see Dectro teaching multi-needle galvanic.
At my school, all options were on the table and there was a variety of old and new epilators available to “play with” and for that, I am grateful. I still had to self-teach when I graduated, which isn’t so bad. That’s why our electrologist only discussion sites are invaluable. We can ask for help and get 50 comments in a day or two.
Hi Dee Dee,
Most of us with “books out there” do consider upgrades; but I think we are quickly moving beyond books (hence a reason I don’t re-write my junk). Books may be obsolete!
What I mean is there is “a path forward” that has been shown by Jossie and her on-line videos. Think: internet, Youtube (etc.), and free … Yes, a total explanation of EVERYTHING in our field … all of it. I even foresee a complete on-line electrology course (again 100% free and open to all).
Such an undertaking cannot be done by one person and should have a neutral agent (like AEA) at the helm. Eventually this will be done … and it will benefit everybody; clients and therapists.
Yes, there are creative ways to get information to the experienced and the neophyte electrologists, all wonderful and helpful. Makes me very hopeful and happy to have the new media at our fingrtips.
As an example of better information changing minds and debunking electrolysis untruths (myths), when I started my practice, I was telling my clients to shave, so I could identify anagen hairs better (found that pearl in an electrolysis book). I was educating them about hair growth cycles and telling them that we can only affect GROWING HAIRS. So, you (Michael) and Jossie show up on Hairtell and through your careful discussions here, I LEARNED something new and was eventually convinced that hair can be affected in any phase of growth. Many electrologists still insist that anagen only hairs are necessary for the kill. So, the discussions will never end and that is to be expected!
Alright! Modality wars! Maybe we can get the film crew from storage wars and pawn stars…
Dee,
There are few in our profession with a truly open mind like you have my dear. So many of us hold on fiercely to our cherished beliefs. Still, it’s hard to castigate these folks when, even today … right now, schools (and books) are continuing to foster mythology.
“Fun” isn’t it? “Flying toupee time?”
The reality of the internet is that it’s still in its infancy stage … but this medium will change everything (for the better … we can only pray).
I’m also looking into animation software and a whole range of possibilities. In many cases, a simple drawing can illustrate points better than photos, and certainly long verbal explanations. (I already know “Adobe Illustrator” … so they say it’s not a big “jump.”)
Imagine that, in your own private office, you have a new client and want to explain the “damned” hair-growing-shedding cycle. You have the client go to her iPad (or other device) and watch a video on the whole thing … nicely illustrated with animated graphics. Done!
How about a video showing all the normal post-treatment side effects? A video showing proper after care? A video talking about age-related hair patters and the right time to remove it?
Imagine a whole video with all the AEA “sterilization” rules … clearly shown with somebody doing it. (Have you ever tried to read AEA standards?)
Anyway … I’m now in the imagination phase of this and sometimes I can’t sleep at night because of the potential. Jossie has “RUINED” me on this (just like you did, Dee, in politics!) My dad always told me that “women will ‘ruin’ your life.” They always do!
I’m going to need help … I know who to ask too!
Let me add another “humbug.”
See, association members often tell me, “The membership is not very good with computers!” (For example, I would like them to consider “live streaming” of ALL the events at conventions … so all of us can participate; in every country.)
I have no sympathy with “I can’t” … Besides, the kids today … well, you know!
In 1987, I bought my first “BIG” Macintosh computer (IIcx). This had a gigantic 40-meg hard drive and a “full” 1-meg of RAM! (The thing was so slow, they didn’t bother to rate it. Maybe in kilohertz?)
THIS computer cost me $5,400! Can you imagine?
Today, computers are “dirt cheap.” Even the homeless in Santa Barbara have iPads and cell phones (and get their morning cappucino at Starbucks!)
So, everything is leading in one direction: internet for all … and total free information.
“I’m in heaven!” (Well, not THAT one yet!)
More encouragement …
In the old days (before real desktop publishing/printing), I had my first book printed on the big sheet-fed “Heidelberg Press.” To do this, I had to print thousands of books and the cost of my first “run” was $27,000! (Then, had to store the things!)
Today, if you have anything to say, you can put it on-line for FREE!
All of you with something to tell us? Well, get to it!
I want to make sure I have not lost in translation. When you used this word, you are referring to:
“JUNK”: something thought of as worthless, meaningless, or useless; trash.
If this is how you call your texts, I regret to say that I strongly disagree.
The book as a physical format may be outdated, and dying, so far I agree, but the real value is in its content and such a thing will never go out of style. When the content of a book coincides exactly with everything you’ve seen, felt, and experienced over 35 years, I can not allow such a thing to be called “trash”, even when the adjective comes from the author, said in a sarcastic tone or not.
“Obsolete”, “outdated”, “useless”, however, in the most technologically advanced country in the world, your graphics are used to inform the customer at the first consultation. Here is the evidence: This chart was used in the company Tokyo Beauty Center during a consultation:
And this is your original graph:
There is a resemblance, right?
And to be totally honest, I do not know why the AEA should intervene in this. From what little I know, this association has always been contrary to most of the things you have defended, especially the free dissemination of knowledge, or something as simple and harmless as is the treatment of telangiectasias and rubies points by electrologists. Why are you going to give them that honor, if they have never wanted to listen, support, or not even share any of your ideas?