How many hours do you need to clear an area of hair:
-stomach
-bikini line
-underarms
-arms
-chin & lip
could you please tell many about how many hours is required to clear the ares mentinoned above. thank you!
It depends on the modality, your hair density and type, and how fast the electrologist is. That is hard to answer without that information.
On average, how much time is needed? If you had electrolysis done could you tell me how much time it took you? thanks.
Once any area is cleared of all BOTHERSOME hair and is kept clear over a period of a year to 18 months, you will be well-pleased. How many hours will this take? Well, how many BOTHERSOME hairs do you have? Is the hair thin, medium, coarse, very coarse? Is the electrologists skilled? Does she have decent speed, defined as treating 8-15 hairs per minute?
There is data reporting average times for certain areas. Some charts are more ambitious than others. Fino Gior has an average time chart on his website and I have seen another source (that I will have to locate), but I believe they state that an upper lip takes 3-5 hours in total time spread out over a year.
Underarms and bikini line may be well-served with laser hair reduction. For chin and lip areas - get electrolysis. Abdomen - electrolysis or even a combination of laser and electro. Arms - depends?
I work on clients faces who are on a laser schedule for their underarms and bikini. A combination plan speeds things up, just so you know. Get the money part straight and then go!
Dee
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Indeed, several factors influencing the speed required to remove the hair in a certain area.
Hair density: the number of hairs per Cm2 is a decisive factor.
http://picasaweb.google.com/jm0158969/Axilas
Diameter of most of the hairs, system used (blend, flash, slow thermolysis).
skin conductivity (moisture content).
Existence of sebum on the skin.
Follicular phase (longer for hairs in anagen).
Degree of sensitivity in the area: The use of anesthetics can raise the intensity and therefore increases the speed.
Except for the chin and the lip, the rest of the areas you mention are ideal for a well-trained electrologist, able to overcome his own record.
Josefa
hallelujah!!!
This is an armpit?
Yes Dee, it is the armpit of a woman, 13 years after the last session of electrolysis.The above photo was made on 2/5/2010.
The photo below was made on 12/18/1996, when she first came to my center of electrolysis.
This case belongs to the study that began in 1996. As you can see, is similar to the ideal case outlined in his book, Mr. Bono
Down. An hour immediately afterwards.
Down. A few days after the first session.
Down. One hour after the second session.
Down. Days after the second session.
Josefa,
These are dramatic pictures. How long per sessions? How many sessions? How much did it cost in dollars?
Before laser hair reduction, all one had was electrolysis in 1996. If this were my client today, I would hand her some cards of local laser specialists, tell her to get 4-6 treatments and then return to me so I could finish up with electrolysis. She would spend less time in either practitioners office and be done with this hair.
If anyone ever asks if electrolysis works, here is another example.
Thanks Josefa for the pictures, but please post time and cost information. Those are the most frequently asked consumer questions.
Dee
You’re right Dee, I made the mistake of thinking that customers knew the work of Mr. Bono.
To remove all the hairs in a first clearance, it took 2 hours and 30 minutes. After 3 months 90 minutes for a second clearance. After another 3 months, 45 minutes for a third clearance. Finally, it took 15 minutes for a final clearance. Today the total cost to the armpit of 300 euros have been translated into dollars that I think are $ 408 (do not know if I’m wrong).
Fortunately, this dense armpit is not very common.
Moreover, I am not in favor of starting my work with laser sessions. For a simple matter, laser hair growth slows. When the client believes that many hairs have been removed and goes to her electrologist, plash! false regrowth of the electrolysis or what is the same, true regrowth of the laser. The problem is that it is us who responsible for the failure. They must spend many months for the customer get to see very clearly what has been most effective.
In another development Dee, I investigated a little on the SIMPLE method of Susanne Anderer and I’d like your opinion. If you think most appropriate open another post. Greetings
Josefa
NOTE: The meeting time that can be seen in the pictures corresponds to one hour.
Wow, that is some very thick hair, you did a terrific job, Josefa.
I agree with Dee. 95% of that could be gone with just a small handful of $60 laser treatments. Very little of it would grow back, and then finished with electrolysis. Much less expensive, in almost every case.
But for those who don’t like laser or who are bad candidates, this is a very inspiring photo. 
Thank you very much, Magical.
Magical, your comment made me dig a little. I have found in my city, a laser center (which offers a minimum guarantee) for less than 80 euros per session armpits. I understand that for the bulk of this armpit hair, the most advantageous are diode and alexandrite and have assured me it would need at least three sessions to eliminate 80% of all hairs.
These centers also offer a package of unlimited sessions for 2 years for the small price of 280 euros.
If women in this armpit, had chosen the first option, ie, 3 sessions of 120 euros = 360 euros, now let’s add 20% in electrolysis. (80%)laser = 360 euros + (20%) electrolysis = 120 euros, total cost 480 euros.
If she choose the second option, 280+ 120 = total cost 400 euros.
Now compare the total duration of treatment. For the first option, my client would have needed at least 5 months for the 3 sessions of laser. To complete the electrolysis takes 9 months. Total time = 14 months.
For the second option, 2 years + 9 months. Total time = 33 months
In short, the benefits from starting with a laser or go directly to the electrolysis are not as overwhelming. Given that I’ve described the best evolution possible, because if I count that many times, the density of hair is the same as before the laser fires cost considerably.
I have to agree with Magical and Dee here. You need to add the cost of TIME as well. Laser on BOTH armits takes about 3 minutes total. And you need 4-6 treatments spaced once every 2-3 months. I had this done myself and removed 95%+ of hair with laser in 5 sessions. To be honest, I didn’t even need electrolysis afterwards, but I still went to get the couple remaining hairs removed since I was already going to my electrologist for other areas. These touchups took 5-10 mins at most.
If you’re concerned with hair “returning” when the client comes to you, you should have them wait 2-3 months after their last laser treamtent.
I think you’re oversimplifying electrolysis time and cost in your calculations. After the initial clearance, the client has to go in for probably at least 30-60 min sessions every 2-3 weeks for several months and then at least once every 3-4 weeks for another several months. I had many areas with finer hair treated with electrolysis, and have had laser successfully as well, so I know what I’m talking about from both experience and research.
LAgirl, are you questioning my data? because if so I might also question yours. I’ve tried my data with graphic documentation. How will you prove yours?
Clearly you do not know the protocol we follow in these areas. I advise an excellent book that describes this protocol to perfection. The BLEND METHOD by MICHAEL BONO. The best book ever written on electrolysis.
I sure don’t want to get into this argument, but I do underarms the same way that I do faces. Just clear them once every 6 weeks, and am usually done in 6 to 9 full clearances. I really don’t need to see the person every 2 to 3 weeks unless that is just the client’s preference.
Indeed James, what you do is (I mean to use the right terms) [color:#000000]maintaining and advancing[/color]. While what I do is [color:#000000]clearing and waiting.[/color]
Both forms of work are equally valid. The monetary cost to the client will be the same for both. The total treatment time is the same. The only difference is that sometimes the client has to travel many miles to go to his electrologist (James know very well what I mean) therefore, wants to minimize their travel costs. It is important that everyone knows that the long intervals between new clearances do not affect in any way or spending money on a quick successful conclusion.
LAgirl, I will not be who responds to their arguments. That’s going to answer the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2006, Issue 4. Art No.: CD004684. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD004684.pub2.
[color:#990000]This version first published online: October 18. 2006
The authors say:
Most trials examined a short-term effect up to six months after final treatment. There appeared to be a short-term effect of approximately 50% hair reduction with alexandrite and diode lasers up to six months after treatment, whereas little evidence was obtained for an effect of intense pulsed light, neodymium: YAG or ruby lasers. Long-term hair removal was not documented with any treatment.[/color]
As you can see, is not enough to wait 2 or 3 months to check the hair “returning”.
Josefa,
I have read the clear and wait method in Micheal Bonos book. I also cleared the front of my right leg with this method,just wondering do you find this method only suitable for clients with high pain tolerance and not suitable for just anybody.
There is a lot more to “studies” of laser treatments than just what kind of machine was used. There are a ton of variables that are involved, which the majority of published studies don’t take into account. There is only one study that even comes close to being relatively accurate and it’s posted on the laser portion of the forum here. These variables include settings (which are combinations of at least 3 variables on a machine), treatment spacing, number of treatments, shedding, etc. This would be the same if you were reading a study on electrolysis which didn’t mention any of this and only said that electrolysis is painful and doesn’t work as people found out after 6 months. You would want to know how many treatments they had, whether they used good equipment, whether they felt plucking, etc.
To be absolutely sure, you should ask the client to wait 6 months after their last treatment. But waiting 3 months will also give you a pretty good assessment already DUE TO HAIR CYCLES. This isn’t any different than judging results after stopping electrolysis.
Either way, I don’t need to prove anything to you. I’m a walking example of the FACT that laser on underarms is a much easier process. I’ve had both done successfully as I mentioned. I had laser on underarms, bikini, and lower legs and I had electrolysis done on abdomen, eyebrows, upper lip, chestbone, and nipple area (as well as a bit to finish a few hairs on underarms and bikini). There is a photo of my underarms several months after my last (5th) laser treatment in the Hairtell photo gallery. Take a look. I KNOW that both laser and electrolysis work well through MY EXPERIENCE. And based on my experience and as a consumer, I have also chosen which methods to use on different areas given the associated time and costs. Underarms are a no brainer. I would NOT change my choice if I had to do it all over again. There is no way I would want to spend several hours at each treatment to treat one hair at a time when I can go in for 3 minutes and see ALL hair fall out within 2 weeks.
Electrologists who are not biased like Dee have realized this. Unfortunately, some refuse to open their eyes to the possibility that laser may be a better solution FOR THE CONSUMER in certain situations. This doesn’t take away from your business since consumers who get laser often find out about electrolysis in order to touch up their areas when they wouldn’t have known about it at all or wouldn’t have tried it otherwise due to the widespread association of pain with electrolysis treatments.
I would recommend you actually go in and try a treatment once so you actually know what you’re comparing to from personal experience and not bias.
Josefa, not to be argumentative, but many areas are terrific for laser (not just underarms). Could you clear both my legs to within 95% of completion for less than $240 total? Because so far that’s what laser has done for me. Will more grow in during the next cycle? Yes, probably a very small amount based on my friends experiences. And I will treat it with electrolysis if it’s too fine for laser.
But I don’t believe your cost estimate. One clearance of both underarms with laser costs $60. You would have to fully clear both underarms within 45 minutes to meet that price (assuming an average rate of $90 per hour). After five hours on a lightly-furred tummy with a fast electrologist, I am just now at my first full clearance, so you’ll forgive me if I think it’s absurd to expect a first full clearance of dense armpit hair in under 45 minutes.
Sure, subsequent clearances might take much less time (which is why electrolysis is perfect for subsequent clearances). But for a first time clearance, a laser treatment is perfect for some areas.