here's my story

ok. here is goes. I have been reading posts on this website for months and i am now finally ready to share my thoughts and experience and also some questions. I am a 24 year old girl who has always been considered very attractive. I am only typing this to give the reader a clear picture, i promise i am not in ANY way feeling this.
I began to notice a slow but steady increase in the length of my facial hair and i mean everywhere on my face including down my neck, a few years ago. It’s not really dark at all except near my side burns where the hair is also VERY long about half an inch and i bleach this area. It just slowly became more and more noticable to me and i even got a few comments from people. This terrified me and i began to obsess of course. I was devastated to find out that retin-A could have caused this because i have been using it for 5 years with the obaji program. I did stop for 2 pregnancies during this time though but iused it DAILY otherwise. I don’t know if this is for sure the reason for the hair growth, but i AM NOT a hairy person at all anywhere else. This has been such a scary and sad thing for me because its my whole face! And i have never been one to wear a lot of makeup or someone who really paid much attention to my looks because i always felt i looked fine. Now, i know that most people are not staring and this hair when they look at me, but it is surely there and i do not see this on other people. I have gone through some really hard days about this. I decided to turn to electrolysis to help this issue. I went to a lady in my area and she used an older clare blend machine on the blend modality and she started with the area right next to my mouth because i had once waxed that area 6 weeks prior for the first time out of desperate measures to feel a little less hairy and people sometimes look by your mouth when they talk to you, so i thought this would be the place to start. i broke out so bad from the waxing and thats when i knew i could not continue to wax this area repeatedly and that led to electolysis. anyway, the treatment did hurt pretty bad even though i handled in fine and the healing was pretty aweful with whiteheads and scabs and itchyness. She worked one hour on each side and did a pretty small area. I have to add that It is now four months later and i still literally have little purplish dip marks all over where she treated. It is more noticable when you stretch the skin but still looks like a purplish hue in that area and i have to put concealer on it daily. Needless to say i felt in my heart i should try someone else and about one week after my apt with her, i confessed to a good friend of mine what i was going through and told her why my face was all jacked up and she told me her mom was an electrolygist. I could not believe the irony! I had not shared this with anyone besides my husband and to share it with someone whose mom was an electro! I felt it was God leading me to her. I did know her mom, but now too well. I knew she was a very nice lady. She contacted me after talking to her daughter about my situationa and we set an appointment and i have been going to her ever since. We have had about 11 one hour treatments and they have gone very well. but i do have some questions. She has been doing this for 25 years and she uses her original machine which is the proteus ep-2000. I know others have asked about this machine on this forom before. When she works on me I DO NOT feel plucking and it does not hurt. I can almost fall asleep. She seems to have great technique and she is SoO sweet and cares about me and my situation so much. I feel SO comfortable with her and have asked her many questions about her machine. She says that she is happy with its results and that she doesn’t see the need right now to buy another one. I know that you guys are BIG advocates of having newer equipment and good lighting, which i have to admit that she really doesn’t have these things, but at the same time, she is able to get rid of and thin out the hairs. She also does massage and reflexoigy and is an accountant and if you knew here that is how she is, sort of all over the board. I should mention that we have only worked mostly on the front of my face and some on my chin that are “wild hairs” that stick out and a few course ones and also up my cheek bone and by my eyes where there were actuallly darker hairs. And just a little right along my jaw line So basicly she is leaving a lot of hair on my face that looks like normal vellus hairs. Which i am happy with this plan. Every week when i go in she has pleny on regrowth to keep her busy. It does seem like it is always coming in. I dont feel like it is embarrasing regrowth because we get it so quickly and it is not course even thought some of these regrowth hairs are darker. The healing process with her has not been completely aweful, but the more annoying thing is that even though i use tea tree oil and whitch hazel and aloe, (not all at once, but i do use these for after care and choose according to severity of skin conditiion) I am getting zits in the treated area which is most of my face (cheeks and chin)! I guess i am used to having perfect skin from the retin-A so this has been not cool to be all zitty. But of course I am only getting a few zits, like maybe 6 per side of my face. but that’s alot to me. But i know MANY insertions were made that are not causing zits. I am generally happy with everything so far, and urge anyone who is reading this to start electrolysis RIGHT AWAY if you are having hair issues! I feel SO much better about myself even though we haven’t begun to work on the long hairs on the side of my face. When you start electrolysis your life changes, even though i have the bad skin reactions with the zits, i know it will be worth it in the end. So, do you guys think that I should go ahead and not worry about the old machine? I forgot to mention that i went to two other electros in my area (there are NOT many) and one had a newer machine but her place was so dirty that i wanted to RUN out of there and i ended up declining treatment after the consult and the other one was just not friendly enough. I really needed someone to listen to me and hear my issues about my face and that is what this lady does. She is so awesome. But am i prolonging my treatment time because i am going to someone with an older machine? If so, big time of just a little. It may be worth it to me becuase she is so in tune with my needs. Does this machine truly work well if used by a skilled electro? I do beleive she is skilled. I am a pretty sharp girl and i feel like i would sence if she wasn’t. I am only concerned about the machine she is using. ALso, does some zits because of open pores sound normal? The treatment area looks fine, maybe just a little swollen at first then a little red then the insertions look like tiny little prick scabs, almost like freckles. Those dont bother me just the zits. I am so thankful for anyone who is reading this and hearing my story. This has been a long and emotional road, but i hope i am just making progress in spite of an old machine. If this post seems scattered and sloppy I AM SO SORRY, I am trying to finnish before my little ones wake up. Any responses would be appreciated. Again I am so thankful for this site. So much hope has been given and recieved here.

thanx
heather

Welcome to hairtell, heather, and thank you for sharing your story.

As far as the Proteus epilator she is using, yes, there are better professional epilators than hers, but we always emphasize here that the person working the epilator matters a ton. SKILL is the special word we use here. You seem pleased with how things are going, so stick with her. She sounds wonderful and I can only imagine the leaps and bounds this practitioner could sore to if she had the best technology in her gifted hands, but that is her business. If you are seeing results, then that is how we measure good electrolysis care. If you are not seeing a marked improvement at about month six after a first clearance and you are faithful to a schedule, then you should be asking why.

I would guess that your two pregnancies are the culprits for the facial hair growth, not the Retin-A regime solely.

Your skin reaction could be the result of many things. Go in with a clean face. Do not touch the treated areas. Apply antiseptic and aloe vera 4x a day for three days. Make sure she wipes your skin with antiseptic and that she washes her hands and wears fresh gloves. She shouldn’t be touching door knobs, telephones and radios, etc after she is gloved. Do you see her wipe her equipment with disinfectant before she starts working on you?

I am a true fan of the newer epilators with the newer technology. Skin reaction is not something that clients complain about and they certainly do not have to contend with red prick marks, purplish areas and scabbing that lasts for days and weeks. Any good electrologist can deliver permanent hair removal on any machine, but speed, comfort and condition of the skin, and time to completion is so much better with certain brand name computerized epilators.

Now, you have to play with the cards you are dealt in your community and your situation is not bad at all since you have showered your present electrologist with praise and you are comfortable with her set up. I’m thinking about all those other jobs she has, accountant, refexology, massage, etc… How often ddoes she work on electrolysis clients? Is this out of her home? Are you in a licensed state?

Just keep moving forward and keep observing your healing and progress. Communicate closely with your electrologist about your concerns and I hope you continue to feel good about your progress.

  • What type of electrolysis is she performing on you?

  • Have you considered getting one full clearance so you are only treating new weak hair that comes in? It will speed up your treatments since otherwise she can’t tell for sure if the hair is new and ready to be killed or old.

  • I agree with Dee on making sure your face is clean, that you’re not using makeup or facewashes or soap etc until the skin heals to avoid skin issues. I actually wouldn’t use tea tree oil. It’s oily and can contribute to acne. Same with aloe. I would only use witch hazel, which is also a toner anyway.

Thank you so much for replying to my story. I really appreciate it. So, Dee, you’re saying that people who get electro with a new machine do not have reactions? WOW! I thought that it sounded like most people had some sort of reaction to it whether mild or really swollen or whatever. Is it not normal to have little tiny prick marks for like 3 to 4 days and then it just sloughs off naturally? I do not feel like my reaction to the elecrto lasts longer than one week at all. Sometimes a mark from a healed pimple might last a little longer and then fade, but the electro reaction in definately gone by the time i go in again 7 days later. I guess i really just need to figure out how to stop these pimples. I will try your advice, but it will be so hard for me to not wear ANY makeup at all because it looks not so great for a day or two, but makeup does help to look of it quite a bit. I know its not best to puy make up on the next day after treatment, but sometimes i do if i have to go somewhere, but if not i don’t. the perks of being a stay at home mom is that i am home a lot. by the way I never put makeup on on the day i get treated afterwards. I just let it all air out.
To lagirl, i am having thermolysis done. The reason I am not getting a whole clearance on my whole face is that i am trying to concentrate on the front of my face that everyone sees when they look directly at me and leave the side of my face for after i am seeing major progress of this are. I am basicly trying to avoid getting discouraged and also the more you innitially clear the more regrowth and the more treatment you need and that for me means maybe more pimples and stuff. I am very happy with it so far and i cant wait to see the permanentcy of this happen right beofore my eyes!!! I am so excited!!!
Like i said i am four months in so i know in two more months things should at least slow down a bit hopefully.
my hair covers the hair on the side of my face and that is also why i might feel comfortable with waiting also. I thought tea tree oil was great for pimples. From my experience i dont know about pimple prevention but it really does help to dry them up. But what you’re saying is that from what you know or your experience aloe and tea tree oil are NOT good for acne prone skin and open pores that might get pimples?
Again i appreciate this dialogue so much! It’s great to hear what others have to say and what they have experienced. If anyone else has the same situation as me with getting longer finer hairs removed from their face successfully it would be great to hear from you.

Heather

I find that witch hazel is best. It’s simple and dries everything well. The less you put on your face and touch your face in general the better.

lagirl- you’re right i agree. i really dont touch my face much, but maybe i should try just simplifiying things and see what happens. thanx!

Heather

I’m acne prone and had to follow a careful regime of applying salicylic acid at night and benzoyl peroxide in the morning to keep my skin clear. When I started getting electrolysis I stopped using these and tried using aloe, witch hazel and tea tree oil. I started breaking out (although I think this was because I wasn’t using my acne medication, not because of the electrolysis) and didn’t find that the aloe or the tea tree oil did much to help my skin heal. So now I stop using the benzoyl peroxide and salicylic acid at least 24 hours before my appointments and start using them again no less than 48 hours after. I apply witch hazel during the 48 hours in the morning and at night. I also use an oil-free, full-spectrum 45 SPF sunblock every day in the morning to prevent hyperpigmentation and wrinkles. My skin looks great now. I have a good electrolygist, mind you, who uses new equipment and a microscope, so on the rare occasions that I do have scabs there are at most five.

Thank you so much for replying to my story. I really appreciate it. So, Dee, you’re saying that people who get electro with a new machine do not have reactions? WOW! I thought that it sounded like most people had some sort of reaction to it whether mild or really swollen or whatever. Is it not normal to have little tiny prick marks for like 3 to 4 days and then it just sloughs off naturally? I do not feel like my reaction to the elecrto lasts longer than one week, but in the 7 days in between my apts there is definately some reaction going one, but it is gone within a week. Does this sound about right?

Hey, Dee! I wasn’t sure is you caught this question for you in my post. I just want to make sure that I make a good decision to continue with an old machine if it is truly not normal to have this go on. I am telling you, this has NOT been fun for me to go in and get my skin pricked at again every week right when it starts to look good again, but I am totally prepared to do it for the results of permanent hair removal. Can you explain to me maybe what the average type of reacion using the best epilator on the facial area is after about one hour of treatment and then I can sort of compare in my head if this is normal.

Oh, I also have another question for you! I love that I can ask you these questions. And James feel free to chime in. You are some helpful people ya know! Like I said before, I really enjoy my electrologist. I feel so comfortable with her and ask her all sorts of questions during and after treament and she is great. But she is stuck in the ice age of electroysis and I DON"T KNOW HOW TO ENCOURAGE HER OUT OF THIS! Can you give me any advice of what I could say to her to let her know that It would be wonderful for her clients if she had a newer machine.
Would you guys think that it would be rude for me to offer to put the money up for a new machine and then have her just work on me to pay me back for it. I know she would have to learn to use it and everyting. I just really feel so strongly that I want her to do my elecrto and she is so wonderful, but I also feel strongly that as a business person she needs to step up and put out a little more for her clients. Is it totally crossing the line to tell someone these things?
How much is one of those fantastic apilus machines anyway?

Thanks again guys. I know these are awkward questions, but this is my face and I just would love to know what you feel about this. I am a pretty forward person, but I dont want to cross any lines either. I am more than willing to make that purchase to help her and me get into a better situation.

Heather

Actually, I think your idea of paying for the new machine is an excellent idea. It removes the main problem from the equation. Your practitioner could learn the new machine and reap the benefits, and the only thing she would have to “recoup” is the time she works on you for “free”. If she decides she doesn’t like the machine (can’t understand why that would happen) she could always go back to Ole Sparky.

If you need to, in order to seal the deal, you tell her that if she doesn’t want to keep the machine, she can give it back to you, and you will go back to paying for your work, but you will want all your work to be done on the new machine, and you will bring it back and forth to your treatments if you need to. But keep that in your bag as a pinch hitter. :wink:

The cost would depend on whether she wants to buy used or new equipment and if she is computer savvy enough to use eBay craigslist etc.

You can get a list of models at dectro.com but they don’t list their prices and I couldn’t find prices on the Platinum and Platinum Pure (from rough memory, the Platinum is about $10,000, SX-500 $5000, Senior II $3500, Junior Plus $2500, James know the cost of the Platinum Pure?)

If you look around, and I mean really look around, know some tips and tricks for eBay etc. and keep your eyes open you may find one at an amazing price :slight_smile: Probably on not the Platinum machines though since they are new (a real shame, they are sooooo comfortable!)

I will look it up, but I think I recall the Platinum Pure to have a list price around $8,000

I would have graciously and eagerly accepted had someone offered to buy my Apilus for me! Would not have offended me one bit.

Oh, yal! If someone had offered to buy an Aplius Platinum for me I would have worked on them whenever for however long and would have suggested they throw in some sisters and cousins and friends with the deal.

wouldn’t it be cheaper to just have her finish what she started?

Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you on this one, but The Apilus Platinum Pure, by Dectro, International has a list price of $7,000 before tax, shipping and any other incidentals to your purchase.

If you are the one being worked on, you will say the Platinum is worth every penny :slight_smile:

I wonder what the next model down goes for? Is the next model down the SX-500?

You know, if I did not know you better, and I did not know me better, I would accuse this line of questioning of being “schilling.” Since it is just curiousity, I will just give you the run down.

Apilus Platinum $8500 to $10,000 depending on where and how you buy it and if you have a trade in machine at time of purchase. To that figure, you must add taxes and shipping.

Apilus Platinum Pure $7,000 to $8,000 depending on the options included and trade in allowance. (plus taxe & Shipping)

Apilus SX-500 $5000 or less if you can get a trade in, or if you buy at a convention discount rate. (don’t for get your taxes and shipping)

Apilus Senior II $4,000 plus shipping and taxes

Apilus Junior Plus $3,000 plus shipping and taxes

Apilus Cleo Blend $2,500

Apilus Cleo Flash $2,000 (S&H and Taxes)

So, once again, if your practitioner has one, give them a hug and maybe a tip. :whistle:

Shilling for you, or the fine folks at Dectro International? :grin:

No shilling, honest, but both get my seal of approval (whatever that is worth) :slight_smile:

Seriously, in the history of this fine web site, many people who have never experienced the electrolysis machines we recommend here, accused us of schilling, or worse, being bought and paid for “celebrity endorsers” of the products we try to get people to obtain in their practice, and customers to look for when on their search.

The funny thing is how many of those former accusers, now have these machines on their work cart, because they have since tried it and liked it. Many consumers who were suspicious, did the footwork to find and try several electrolysis providers and found that these machines can, and do make a difference, when they are used anywhere near properly. Some have even thanked us, and/or apologized for their former vitriol.

As for me. I thank you for your vote of confidence and your kind words. I am past my prime, and simply not made of the sterner stuff of the Giors, Bono’s, Groves, Petricca’s, et al. I have already lost a step, and my joints ache. I don’t think I will ever see another 2,000 hair an hour day.

Instead of going out like Jerry Rice, it looks like I will end up retiring as a Thurman Thomas, instead.