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Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
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The guy who went on youtube to ask for a million dollars from a millionaire and actually ended up getting it?
I thought this was an amazing idea, granted it’s a little lazy to aks for money and not work for it, and of course there are criticisms suggesting why this guy was worthy of a million dollars as opposed to people in third world countries who need that money…but anyways, aside from those points, I thought it was an amazing idea!! I mean sometimes there are those generous people who actually will try to help peoples dreams come true.
So I thought, why not extend it to the hair removal world, where there are so many people who deserve treatments to improve their self-esteem. I know hair removal seems like a trivial problem, but honestly it can and does affect millions of women in particular (yes men as well, but at least being a man is an excuse to have hair)
Anyways, I was wondering if any of you amazing electrologists would ever consider treating a patient that deserved it, by deserve i mean to asses their hair issues and decide whether this hair was in fact excessive. A person who has hair that really deserve to be treated but obviously it will not be affordable.
My point is, would any of you treat someone for free, and I mean to initially clear the areas they want, and from there, hopefully they can pay for hourly treatments, because that initial clearance is huge and imperative for completion (always very costly)
Of course I would love if someone was so generous to offer this to a well deserving individual and I am asking on behalf of myself. I’m sure many of you will have a lot to say, but I thought what the heck, why not ask! Doesn’t hurt to ask! Of course I would love to be hair free one day and not worry about covering up in the summer, or if my shirt goes up once and hair is exposed. I would love to go swimming whenever I wanted without waxing my entire body. Honestly it would just be such an amazing thing to wake up without this excessive hair!!

So just a thought, if any of you professionals would ever consider something like this, I know you work to live and make money, but I mean to make someones life better is it not worth it?

Well that’s all for now lol…hope I didn’t offend anyone, didn’t mean to, but just thought I’d ask! =)

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Bills, taxes, rental income, must be paid, how do we solve this?

You can volunteer in a study of Electrology if there is a sponsor for such a thing. Perhaps Dectro?

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I already do a certain amount of pro bono treatments per year. I give close to (deleted $ amount) per year in various circumstances. Sometimes the client knows what I am doing and sometimes they don’t. A client lost her job and she was half way through her treatments, but we still continued, I told her she could pay me when she got back on her feet. She came back many months later and paid me. My expenses keep going up, but I am not raising my fees right now. When will my back, neck, hands and eyes wear out? I give generously to charities. I pay heavy duty taxes. I help my neighbors in varied ways. Forgot to mention FREE for family members and close friends, too. Free can only go so far and then life demands that we earn money to pay for important things. I imagine other electrologists do the same?

So, would love to, but count me out because I’m already giving back to my brothers and sisters, happily so, in a balanced way, for the most part.

A new electrologist may want to borrow a leg or two for sharpening up on their skills? Surely you could afford to pay something for that, even if it is well below what is usually charged.

Forgot to say, Suze Orman would not like me very much for my money decision behaviors.

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Well, i could have so many customers who simply deserve an epilation, that there would no time be left to earn the money i need for a living. Currently i do give, but not in the context of electrolysis. This business is simply too small to enable me to do so. (But i do have a client where i have to think about something like this when the far insufficient budget her insurance gave her is used up.

BTW: who shall decide who is eligible for free epilation and who is not?

Beate

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I think Dee said what most of us would have to say about his subject, but I will add this:

We would need to be able to get something out of giving absolutely free treatments to someone who had a hard case. Maybe we get to record all treatments, and use them in our advertisements. The person agrees to record an interview before, during and after the treatments, and be an ambassador for electrolysis. In that case, I could see doing free treatments for someone like this guy.
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showpic&id=43
It would be as good an advertisement as the TV show The Swan was for plastic surgery

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I am sorry if my message will seem harsh to you, but there is a difference between deserving and being entitled to.

We all deserve the best, but we are not entitled to anything we did not work for.

In your message you don’t even explain why you deserve free treatments. I am not arguing that you need treatments, but certainly you are not the only one in the world with excessive hair - so why should the services be free for you as opposed to someone else?

Nor do you offer anything to compensate (not necessary financially) the person doing the treatment even after acknowledging that people need to make money for living.

In any case, I sympathize with your cause and as other suggested there are ways to make the treatments more affordable, like having a student doing the work or bartering.

I hope you can find a way to get rid of the unwanted hair.

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You seem to be comparing a billionaire giving someone a few millions to electrologists making at most middle class income to giving free treatments. That’s a huge difference.

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LAgirl has an excellent point here.
(uh, oh, here I go agreeing with her again, I brace myself for an argument :grin: )

In the example of a billionaire giving $1M to someone, he is actually only tossing away .1% or less of his available resources at someone, whereas the equivalent percentage for the average electrolysis provider would be equal to somewhere between $24 and $160 per year. If you go by the banking formula by which a Billionaire is designated, the numbers for the electrolysis professional only climbs to $240 to $1600 in one shot (What ever your reasonable expected income for a ten year period is what designates you a millionaire, or billionaire, unless you have one reasonably liquid asset with the same value)

I know for a fact that each and every electrolysis provider who still does free consultations and god forbid sample treatments, is giving much more than that in free time each and every year.

See what generous people we are in this profession?

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Wow did not mean to spark any debates…just thought it was interesting… and to clarify it was not a billionaire that gave a million dollars he was a millionaire lol…but still I see your points

I was just simply trying to suggest for every electrologist maybe once a year to offer such a life changing package to someone who deserves a hair removal completion of the areas they want. And from there of course they would pay for the rest of the treatments to remove the hair…Clearance is half the battle right?

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I hope you understand that we do have a heart, but the truth is, first clearance costs more than any one individual clearance.

I have had situations where a VERY hairy guy with roots as deep as dandelions, and bulbs as thick as potatoes requires 30 to 40 hours for full first clearance on a neck and face job. Later, the subsequent clearances run 20 hours, and less, down to 3 hours for the whole face.

In the case of Amber Dobiez on my web site’s before and after page, your formula would have me lose 40% off the payment for the full face work that we did.

Those of us who might do something like what you suggest, would be more willing to give someone their final clearance, than the first one. Furthermore, by that time, the person is a well known friend, and one knows more about their situation, and would be more likely to want to do something like this. It is far too easy for anyone to come off the street and have a good sob story.

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Whoa! I forgot about this giveaway. My consultations are about 45 minutes, including a sample treatment - FREE. Nine out of ten people have a hair problem and there is hardly enough of us to to take care of the clients that are willing to pay for every treatment. This is hard physical work actually and it takes a while to get to a skill level where people are not coming back at you with complaints. We become like psycho therapists for some and spend many hours listening to depressed people - unpaid. I’m not complaining here, but free comes in other ways that you, desperate, made me really think about.

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Desperate, how much of your free time do you spend currently working for free?

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Depends on desperate’s tax bracket - Sorry, I could not resist.

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Look I’m not trying to say it’s not hard work what an electrologist goes through…I didn’t imply that at all…what I’m saying is because your work makes such a difference in peoples lives, doing something like that for someone who’s been struggle with excessive (i mean more than one should have) to get a clearance would probably mean the world to them. It’s just nice to have people in this world that would want to changes someones life that has an ability to make a difference…even if its a small difference, like being able to wear tank tops whenever they want.

Actually to reply to the above comment- I actually have worked at many places free of charge- I teach piano and have taught many children whose parents could not afford lessons…just because they cant afford something for their child doesnt mean I cannot out of the goodness of my heart help them. Everyone deserves a chance to succeed at what they want-even if they cant afford it. Money should not be the end answer- what would the world come to- money is already the root to all evil. These kids that I’ve taught tell me all the time how happy they are taking these lessons-and they practice which shows me im not actually doing it for nothing- they wanted it more than anything-and they deserve it, because practicing shows me how appreciative they are that i’m doing this for them.

Sorry but it bothers me that people assume I just meant “free” to mean that there is no return. Regardless of the money and time spent- the return for me would be the satisfaction I would see making a difference for someone.

Again, no offense implied just had to explain myself.

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What does “cannot afford” mean though? Most electrologists take credit cards. “Affording something” often means settings different priorities, i.e. spending money on electrolysis vs. going out to dinner or drinks or buying another pair of jeans.

Most people who don’t have money for electrolysis either don’t want to get into debt on their credit cards (and why should the electrologist get into debt by not being able to pay off their expenses and living costs for the sake of someone who wants to wear sleeveless tops?) or they have other priorities they choose to spend their money on.

I also don’t see how wearing sleeveless tops is an endevour worth charity. I’m sure you’re aware that there are much more life-threatening issues people can contribute their time to, which can’t be solved with a razor.

From what you’ve said before, I recall you’re still young and in school, so I assume you may not have an understanding of what it takes to run a successful business. It takes quite a bit to simply break even. There are lots of associated expenses and they don’t have a corporation paying for their healthcare, insurance, office space, and other costs.

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Please don’t feel like you are being attacked by bringing this up, desperate. You had a good thought. However, when you are no longer a student and are hopefully gainfully employed, especially if you are self-employed, you will get a real world view of giving for free when it involves your livihood.

Adam Smith’s classic work, The Wealth of Nations, explains that the exchange of goods and services in the market place takes place only if BOTH sides mutually benefit. What you are asking for defies human nature. Exchanging money is not about selfishness. It is about creating incentive to deliver goods or services that will benefit you and others. It is a contract that both are free to participate or not participate in. I need electricity for my epilator and light when I do a treatment and your payment to me allows me to pay for that service. Do you think the electric company is going to give me electricity for free because I am being kind hearted to poor students who say they can’t afford electrolysis? This is how the world really works and paying for things you want actually increases ones self-esteem. I wanted to give a Muslim woman client of mine some money off for one appointment because she referred a client to me She insisted that she could not accept my offer because it would offend Allah if she did not pay her full debt to me.

When I was poor student, I delayed having electrolysis until I found employment. It was my privilege to pay another person for their labor and time that gave so much towards enhancing my well-being and self-esteem.

No offense, but that is my respectful explanation back to you. I don’t ask and I don’t expect anyone to give me anything for free because I think I deserve it. I am much like that Muslim woman.

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I liked the comment about electrologists not being multi millionaire’s.

Also, teaching a skill generally only requires time. Electrolysis requires other resources. I’m sure there would be electrologists who would discounted treatments as long as their overheads are covered. But how can you decided which client deserves it and which doesn’t??? One may have a every obvious problem outwardly but otherwise be mentally strong, another may have much less hair but depression because of it.

I can wax well. If my relatives wanted me to do their waxing providing I had the time, I’d do it. But if it became a regular thing, I would expect contribution for the waxing supplies, because good wax doesn’t come cheap and currently I’m not position that it would not burden me.

From my experience, electrologists are very sympathetic to the cause and do what they can within reason. Such as the example Dee gave in giving a client a discount because of a referral, or the other examples given in this thread.

One can only really do the same as the person written about - ask a wealthy person to donate the money for their treatment.

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Desperate,

I think there is a good deal of chasm between how you view the world and how I view the world.

It is nice that you provided the services for free to needy children. However, it was your choice.

People in general, and electrologists in particular, are also free to choose what causes (if any) to support. Nobody should be telling them how to make that choice. Nor should you be expecting them to make the choice you want them to make.

You appear to have a good heart, but I just think there are fundamental differences in how we view the world.

To give you a perspective let me tell you my story. It has nothing to do electrolysis, but I think you will be able to relate to it.

In my early 20s I developed varicose veins. One of my legs was slightly larger than another due to veins on it. So in reality, I could not wear shorts and skirts in the summer. The condition I had was cosmetic, so none of it was covered by insurance.

When I was around 25 I was finally able to afford to do sclerotherapy. I paid around 1500 and took care of more severe veins. Then 2001 hit. My husband lost his job and was unemployed for 15 months and then underemployed for the next 2 years, there was a perfect storm of other events that put us in financial bind. During those years I got my haircuts at Fantastic Sam’s. That was the only beauty treatment I could (barely) afford. So of course, I could not even think about completing my sclerotherapy treatments. Never during this time it occurred to me to ask someone to donate the treatments, even though the condition of my legs was embarrassing.

Fast forward to 2010 - finally I was able to take of my legs.

My point is, I had to live with what I had (and that also includes happy trail and hair on my chest - which I am taking care of this year) and I survived. Yes, I had to hide my legs (one of which if you remember was larger than the other), but I had to wait until I was able to afford to take care of MY problems.

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I want to state once again that I don’t believe that anyone should chastise Desperate18 for this question. As it happens, we have already shown where the average electrolysis practitioner is already comparatively MORE generous than the millionaires and billionaires. THE LOVE OF MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL, is the exact quote, and I have no problem with the full quote. When someone says Money is the root of all evil, I have to quote my friend Dexter Yeager, who says, “You are either a materialist, or you are a nudist.” The system we are all being herded into is designed to force us to be slaves, and get ever less and less for our efforts. The natural way of the brotherhood of man had it that we bonded together for the common good, and those who could build shelter, did the work to make the best shelter that those who brought materials to use for building did provide. Everyone ate as best as those who foraged for food could find, and those who cooked could cook. The evil genius of the system we call civilization is that it turns everyone against everyone else, as collective and co-operative endeavor becomes more and more difficult to engage in, when the system forces all to be a good little transformer, attempting to stock up on “energon cubes”, even as the intertwining extortionist systems poke ever larger holes in everyone’s storage media.

If my large family had a crop in the field, a super insulated residential compound, with an off grid, self-perpetuating energy system, and all the kids were being cared for, and I still had time left over, I would gladly do hair removal for free, and/or in exchange for the gifts of the heart and bartered exchanges of my fellow man.

The system exploits the problem of how does a person who doesn’t eat pork barter with a hog farmer, since the hog farmer can’t trade a pig to the non-pork eater. Once the Banksters figured out that they could steal our labor and other valuables via the entry into the system of their keeping score on the monetary system and mechanisms of exchange that we all lost our freedoms. I was told that in early times, most people only worked 3 hours a day, as the collective needed only that amount of time to tend to the things that kept everyone fed, secure, and fulfilled.

Yes, we would all like to work for free, (assuming we are working at something we enjoy) but we don’t have that realistic possibility, as we have to care for the survival necessities, and on top of that, the cost of doing what ever it is that we do, even as the system finds ever more ways to pile on new expenses and overhead to our lives.

If this entry by me has been redundant, I apologize. It is just that I want to balance the reality with the misunderstandings. The time I give here to HairTell is sooooo totally charity, and yet, for my trouble I get such nonsense as five star nutjob net stalking humanoids and professionally jealous haters attacking my generosity on one side, while I get others asking why I don’t work for less, or for free, even as I deal with the question, why don’t you work out of an office that is made of Marble, and situated in a medical office park next to the plastic surgeon. Well, people, you can’t have it both ways. One can’t expect someone to take on massive overhead, while giving the farm away, unless one has a fund raising arm that brings in the money for nothing, or a federal mandate extorting from those who don’t use your service, in order to pay for the work a few who do get your service require.

Again, I think Desperate18’s heart is in the right place. The piano lesson example is good, however, pianos don’t require electricity, and the keys are not disposable, and there is not a mandate that one wear disposable gloves instead of copious handwashing when one plays the keys, and one needs light to see the sheet music (which is also not free).

One of the interesting things that I have found is how many clients don’t seem to see how much it costs us to perform any treatment at all. I have even had people attack the industry standard of the minimum payment for treatment time. As if they think it is fair that those who charge a $1 a minute should get paid 50 cents for half a minute of hair removal, when the cost of the gloves they wore for the treatment cost at least as much or more.

Ok, I am stepping down off the soap box and ending this free form rant.

Bottom line, if people donated to a cause such as this, we could make it work, but this web site that everyone says is so helpful had to go to allowing google to post ads (some of which are for the very scams we warn people against) because you people did not donate money in sufficient amounts to keep the web site online (oh, yeah, this costs money too). We here at HairTell swallowed hard, and held our noses, and clicked to accept the ads, rather than let the site vanish from the net.

Find a way we could finance hair removal for the needy, and we would make it happen.

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Really, really off topic here, but James, you would like the book “The Creature From Jekyll Island” by G. Edward Griffin, on the cartel and Ponzi scheme structure of the Federal Reserve System. New world order is on its way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWKlz2Z4Nlo