Hair growth cycles question

Hi Josefa, well that was only 6 months before she saw you. I think if she was still developing that much hair, we would have still observed it after your treatment.

To the part in bold - that is sort of my point. I find that it is normal for them not to know the degree of elimination, just a guess; ‘if you keep coming regularly, it will be done in 12-18 months’ and sometimes not even that is the case.

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Hi Josefa, well that was only 6 months before she saw you. I think if she was still developing that much hair, we would have still observed it after your treatment.[/color]

To the part in bold - that is sort of my point. I find that it is normal for them not to know the degree of elimination, just a guess; ‘if you keep coming regularly, it will be done in 12-18 months’ and sometimes not even that is the case. [/quote]

You’re right Stoppit. I did not think this detail. I want to think that the reluctance to change strategy, or try new ways of carrying out the work, is motivated by fear to innovate, and not by the desire to squeeze the customer’s wallet.

Below, the words I wrote in 1998. In bold, a recommendation to all Spanish schools to upgrade the training of those days. Today, 14 years later, still talking about only anagen, and only papilla.

"Observaciones

Es obvio que los resultados de este ensayo no son comparativos con la situación generalizada a la que asistimos diariamente. Sabemos que se debe al factor humano y lo que cabe preguntarse es por qué ocurre ésto. Entendemos que la respuesta fundamental puede estar en estas consideraciones:

· El acceso a la cavidad folicular. Existe un elevado margen de error en cuanto al ángulo, la dirección y la profundidad de la inserción.
· El objetivo a destruir sigue considerándose la papila. Cuando se ha demostrado que, además, es necesario eliminar las tres cuartas partes inferiores del folículo.

Es absolutamente necesaria la renovación de los planes de formación, de lo contrario seguirán desaprovechándose los esfuerzos de muchos profesionales, al tiempo de la esperanza de muchas personas que optan por esta solución."

James found a way to explain the complex process of growth with the X and scripts, remember? X_X.

Perhaps with these naive drawings, things are clearer, or who knows… just get to add more confusion to the matter. :frowning:

Working in “anagen only”, has the disadvantage of creating a perception of failure for the customer’s eyes.

Let us assume that this case will be treated by a great professional. Thus, if we start working with a few days after waxing or traditional tweezers, this is evolution:

BEFORE ELECTROLYSIS:

AFTER FIRST CLEARANCE (Points colored honey=treated follicles):

And a few days later:

Appearance of failure, right?

However, this is what would have happened without electrolysis.

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Thank you so much for those illustrations.
Clients appreciate the visuals and it makes
the explanation more understandable.

Did you create them yourself?
May I print them out and use them?

I sincerely hope and wish that many other colleagues (luckier than me for buying Michael’s book before I did), have implemented protocols that he recommended to the middle of the 90’s. I wish my Spanish colleagues had followed the same recommendations when I published my study of effectiveness of the late 90’s.

Josefa, to achieve an anagen and telogen method, do you recommend to use Blend always?
But I’ve read that you are using thermolysis as well? Or you work mainly with Blend?

I’m also a proponent of treating all hairs, whatever their growth stage. However, there is an advantage in doing the “anagen only” system: fewer “tombstones.”

(For our patients): A tombstone is a non-viable remnant hair that looks like a very dark “sliver” protruding from the skin. They eventually wash away, but can be lifted out of the skin with zero traction. They typically arise when a telogen hair is properly treated and a new, not yet surfaced, anagen hair in the same follicle is collaterally destroyed. In certain body areas tombstones can result in an untidy appearance. Such as the legs.

I started working on 26-year-old Cindy’s legs in November. Each time she comes, I rapidly clear off all the anagen hairs only; it takes about an hour for each leg. (Using manual blend, the hairs epilate in 1-2 seconds and she requires no anesthetic.)

After each clearing, she mentions how clear her legs look. Then, I ask her to gently stroke her skin. Of course she feels the hundreds of prevously-shaved telogen hairs that are still not easily visible. She usually says: “Oh my God, all those hairs are still there!”

And, yes they are! After 3 full months of “clearances” Cindy is still able to experience what electrologists know: TONS of telogen hairs just waiting to sabotage the clear skin! It’s kind of nice really … from an operator’s point of view. I don’t get any “Qvetching” about regrowth!

Had I spent time zapping the telogen hairs, I would also be creating tombstones that later would be a bit unsightly. Nicely, Cindy is very persistent and comes in every 2 weeks or so. Indeed, each time there are fewer telogen hairs but they are still abundant. Our goal is to achieve, finally, a clearance with a smooth feeling: then, we will be on the road to rapidly finishing this project.

She should be completed in another 10 hours: making it 25 hours for the entire job. (I posted a photo of her some time ago. Her hair is as dense as I have ever seen on a woman.) It’s also nice to remove only anagen hairs because they slide out so easily and are easy to grab (I do the two-handed “progressive epilation” technique.)

Cindy is stunningly beautiful and has drop-dead amazing legs (can I say that?) This added bonus of clear, hairless legs is going to advance her self-confidence. Watch out world, summer, and Cindy, is coming!

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Michael, could you please answer how do you distinguish the anagen and telogen hairs? Telogen hairs I believe look weaker than anagen hairs?
Or there is something else?

P.S. If I have never shaved/waxed my arms, are all hairs on them in telogen?

P.S.S. Do these “tombstones” have any hair bulbs or they look just like some weird dark remains without any bulbs?

I’ll throw an answer out, hoping Michael will tweak it.

In the case of legs, most people have shaved. When looking through our magnification, we can see the stubbled and often lightened telogen hairs. Anagen hairs will usually have a little more pigmentation (on other areas as well). “Weaker” is not something we could identify by looking.

For an area with virgin growth (it doesn’t matter if shaved, but waxed would not be considered virgin growth) you will have hairs in all stages/cycles of growth. Hair growth, and its shedding is fairly constant, yet unsynchronized.

Sounds great to me!

Thank you very much for reply!
But what about these “tombstones”?
Do these “tombstones” have any hair bulbs or they look just like some weird dark remains without any bulbs?

I wish I had a picture of one of my former clients. This dark-haired Swede had the densest leg hair I’ve ever seen. When viewing hair growth on legs, we usually see 2, 3 or 4 hairs at a time - some growing, some shaved, and knowing there might be another 1 or 2 in the “pod”. (Would we use the term “follicular unit” as they use with hair transplants? Or is that indicating one hair?) This client had at least 9 visible hairs in each “pod”, and they were very close together. Having black hair, she could not go bare legged, nor would she wear shorts or capris in the summer because that black hair showed up through her fair skin. She was pretty excited about her results - send her daughters in, too!

This might help visualize anagen and telogen hairs:

Yes dear, I made these drawings :blush: . Of course, you can use as you want. It is an honor that someone like you want to make use of this. Thank you Arlene.

Converting this stuff is a nightmare … hope this is better.
(Going from PageMaker to EPS to TIFF to JPEG (B & W in Photoshop).

For about 3 years, I do almost everything with thermolysis.
Most of the recommendations of the book by Michael are applicable to any method of Electrolysis: Galvanic, Blend or thermolysis only.

How many of those we see? Does one per thousand follicles treated? I think the advantages of working in telogen are much more important.

It’s kind of amalgam of cortical cells. Often without tip or with a tip on a baseball bat.
Are easily released as bridges binding the follicle walls have disappeared. Do not forget that the anchorage zone has been destroyed previously.

I tried finding the photo in your recent posts but couldn’t :frowning: Can you please give me the link to it or tell me what the subject of the forum was?

I just bump on this table on this site:

The chart is closer to the end of the page. I’m sorry, I do not know how to copy a chart, it is not an jpeg.

And I wonder how accurate this information.
Is it really true that on humans’ body 70%-80% of hair in telogen?

depilacionelectr: The chest photos are impressive! Please keep documenting progress.