okay so i went 4 times to this one lady (lets call her lady A) and spend 240 bucks on it, and her method was using blend and was remvoing about 370 hairs each hour, which i thought was great, than i went to another lady (Lady B) who i talked to about (Lady A’s) methods. Lady A would tweeze the hair out before inserting the probe. she would tweeze a hair insert the probe once and treat the hair once than move on. upon hearing this, Lady B was appawled. she told me that Lady A’s method was rediculus becuase she had no way of knowing if she had actually treated the hair or not. and when she saw me today she commented on the ammount of new growth and hair under the skin that was coming back from the areas that Lady A had treated. she told me that Lady A might not actually have treated the hairs becuase she removed them first and there was a good chance she would miss the folicle and would be unable to tell if the folicle was killed or not at each attempt!
Lady B’s methods are… Insert the probe into the folicle and treat it as many times as possible untill she can tweeze the hair out without any resistance and the hair comes out with the clearish sheeth and black dot on the end. she told me that when the hair comes out with no trouble and the black dot is on the end that that particular folicle is dead and will not produce any more hairs…
what should i do?
Is Lady A doing a good practice or is Lady B doing a good practice. Lady B made me think I Might have wasted my money on Lady A.

AHHHH someone with experiance and good knowledge please tell me what to belive and what to do!!!

i’m no electrologist and i don’t claim to be an expert but tweezing the hair before it is removed seems to be from what everything i’ve read completely wrong. they have to treat it first and then it should slide out easily. one of the things they always tell you is that if you feel the hair being tweezed, it hasn’t been treated properly so you’re just getting tweezing. it sounds like you’re getting tweezing from the get go and therefore it isn’t proper electrolysis. i would DEFINITELY go with the electrologist who inserts, treats, and then removes the hair.

I am going to HOPE that you simply misunderstood what Lady A was doing, because what you describe is ridiculous technique. Now, the way that you could have possibly mistaken what Lady A was doing was if she was practicing two handed technique, where she lifts up the hair with the forceps/tweezers, pulls it tight, and then inserts the probe treating it until the hair pops out from the tension of being held up. If that is not what she is doing, then, I can’t explain what is going on here, other than to say it very well may be poor technique. I would have to know for sure what she was in fact doing.

Lady B, who showed you her post treatment hairs, did in fact show you what you need to see to know a hair is treated right. More treatment energy, and the cloudy substance would have melted, less treatment, and the cloudy part would have broken off under the skin’s surface, and you could have more hair growing from the part that was not fully treated.

What you describe, if I take you literally would be a situation where the hair most likely breaks off under the skin, and then she gives it some treatment, and if she treats it well enough for permanent hair removal, you have infections from the body trying to push out the dead piece of hair lodged half way up the follicle, or you have broken hairs fighting to grow out to the surface after having been weakened.

See, why we say you must go to as many people in your area as possible before settling on who will be entrusted to your skin?

well i guess ill be going to Lady B from now on. yeah im definetly sure that Lady A was tweezing before hand. she would show me becuase i asked her. she said she would tweeze it first so that she would know how far down to insert the probe. wow now im pissed off that i spent so much money on it. oh man now i have to start from scratch again…
thank you so much for the help everyone.

is there anything i can do about my money? anything i can do to report her for not actually doing what your supposed to as an electrolosist? anything at all?

It just goes to show you the importance of practitioner skill! The same problem with laser hair removal, a lot of people get bad results because of the lack of practitioner skill.

Does the black dot on the end of the hair really mean that the follicle is dead? Sometimes I pluck hairs I get the black dot on the end and the sheath around the hair. Of course those could be tombstones from previous laser treatments. And sometimes the black dot is soft and easily squished.

Looks like lady B will work much better for you!


Tweezing a hair out to check for depth is something we are taught to do in order to gauge the depth of the follicle, but it is not taught as a way to effect treatment. Unless one were sending some treatment energy prior to treatment, one could not hope to do the whole area without hairs breaking off.

I suppose you could file a small claims case if you want to persue that, but you may have a hard time proving what she did wrong. You can take Electrolysis text books to show how it should be done.

As for the “black dot” it is not an iron clad guarantee, but if one has done treatment in the follicle it is a good bet because unlike you tweezing hairs, we are coagulating the tissue and making it more solid. If everything comes out solid with no breaks, then all the needed treatment area was probably done.

Lady A Got On this forum and wanted me to say that she wasnt tweezing every time, she was mad that I Posted that so there it is

Be of good cheer. I am a professional electrologists, and without seeing what is being done to me, I can’t tell everything about what is being done accurately just by feel.

I just had my first treatment, and unless I had read your post and the replies, I probably would have thought that the electrologist was tweezing hair, as well. Having plucked hair for several years, I can tell the difference between plucking and whatever you call what they do during electrolysis. Sometimes it did feel like she was plucking the hair. She explained that she sometimes pulled hairs that were not “active,” and these were the ones that felt like they were being plucked. Hmmmm…maybe I am experiencing the same phenomenon that you had with “Lady A”? I will have to watch carefully to see if the hairs start re-appearing! This happens after plucking, but shouldn’t happen after proper electrolysis, right?

hey i experience the same kinda feeling to plucking too a few times in in my treatment session…butt then i hear her saying that was a old hair(white bulb one)…and i notice other times when i get tht feeling she says that was a thick black bulb…but most times i cant feel the hair sliding out at all…m wondering that the white bulb ones i think sumtimes she does pluck them out or maybe they just feel that way…but those thick black bulb ones i think that maybe they have just a thickk black bulb at the end and thats why i get that feeling that i had experienced during when i do pluck…m i correcct…??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />…do the thick black bulb hairs kinda feel like plucking? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Because treating a hair that is not in Anagen Growth Phase won’t permanently remove it (it would reduce the size and thickness) many electrologists will have you do something that allows them to tell the difference between growing hairs and shedding hairs (shaving 3 days prior, or bleaching) and will only treat growing hairs, and will actually just pluck the non-growing hairs. Since they are not firmly rooted, there is little chance they will break off in the process.

As I have written before, a properly treated hair with a huge bulb and sheath system will feel like a pimple popping through the smaller hair shaft on the way out.

James, how would bleaching allow electrologists to tell the difference between growing and shedding hairs?

I personally don’t like bleaching as a way to do this, but since the bleach would not go too deep in the follicle, a growing hair would be bleached at the top, and have natural color at the skin’s surface, as the part that is growing was not effected by the bleaching. The shedding hairs would not exit the skin at the same rate, and therefore still be fully bleached at the skin’s surface.