Equivalent settings between Apogee/ Coolglide ?

Hair Removal Methods Laser hair removal
#1

I have had one treatment of all areas with Cutera xeo prowave ( Coolglide) machine with settings bikini / underarm on ndyag side of - 55 and 20 with pulses of greater than 20 . My lower legs was done with same machine but despite my wishes, the IPL side was used setting was B with pulses between 18-20 ( whatever that means?? )

I then had the opportunity to try another machine while out of town and the machine used was Cynosure and the laser name is Apogee. The settings varied depending on the area treated. For areas with course hair (lower legs, bikini, underarms) the fluency was 25, pulse width was 15-40, fine hair it was same fluency with pw of 10. All body areas done with the nd:yag laser. Face done with alexandrite laser with fluency 13 pw 10.

The second location Apogee seemed much more effective and they also did a test to see what ideal settings I could handle. The first place signed onto for 3 treatments did not offer that test. I seem to be able to handle fairly high settings without a problem and have a high pain threshold .
Now that I am back home and must continue treatment with the cool glide laser. I wonder if there is anyway to find settings that are the equivalent of the ones used with the Apogee ? Is there any numbers I can suggest to the tech who may not be open to doing any tests ?? It seemed to be so much more effective with the higher settings used with the Apogee id really like to try to go higher , or mimic them as close as possible!

#2

Do you know what spot size was used on Apogee?

What’s your skin type?

Pulses of greater than 20? What does that mean?

#3

I will see if i can find out about spot size…

I am a skin type 2 or 3. Dark Brown hair ,brown eyes, light skin, east European heritage,slow to tan,sometime burns, tan minimal light brown.Some sun sensitivities.

Thats what i was told by the laser tech at the Coolglide place i am signed onto for 3 treatments. I really dont know what it means!!!

#4

IS spot size critical in answering this question ? I might not be able to get that information!

#5

yes it is. also, was it the YAG or Alex of the Apogee?

for example, if the spot size was 12mm on the YAG then 25J too is low… even if you’re type IV let alone II or III.

#6

really? Oh it seemed stronger than my experience with the coolglide. Yag was used for body and Alex on face.

#7

really? Oh it seemed stronger than my experience with the coolglide. Yag was used for body and Alex on face.

#8

Funny she had said that the settings were high and that i had a high pain tolerance. Is the spot size the size of the circle of red laser light? If so it was about 6 or 7 mm in diameter?

#9

It’s usually 12mm or 15mm on Apogee and 10mm on CoolGlide…I think…You should call the clinic and confirm.

Why don’t you find a clinic with GentleLase?

#10

Unfortunely there is only one place in my town and it offers coolglide. I havent been that impressed with the lack of info i have recieved , nor some of their actions following a reaction…but there is no other choice. The apogee was out of town, i am trying to get the info. I am saddened to hear it is a low setting. Seems like this is going to be a long frustrating road?!! :frowning:

#11

Until i reach the laser place i would say the spot size apogee yag was 12. I will write again once that is confirmed. Any advice when i am informed that the settings were really low. Do i bring this to the attention of the laser place?

#12

Those settings are low for your skin type on both the spot sizes-12mm and 15mm.

Underarm, bikini and leg hair will respond to CoolGlide as it is usually coarse. As a skin type 2/3, you should have no problem going higher than 40J…lower than 20ms on the 10mm spot size.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:7_LceqAK8tgJ:www.medsystems.com.br/tecnologias/estudos/coolglide/Cutera%202touch_CoolGlide%20Hair%20Removal_Guideline_RevC.pdf+coolglide+treatment+guidelines&hl=en&gl=in&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjTejqTuOPYatsUH5Ay0MsPxLyIvvcNGSp_ph6JMeCwjJyyoJVJUXOzKxytNsIQ_CimwSMnRxj0ZLiRT4O10Cl-1Wf5ttE6LtcFg6wx5IQVzDLSF397jB2xeJ-otEwG2EThyDro&sig=AHIEtbQL8zd60EWpnv-s2LUIAl1sSlQwJw

#13

Thanks for the help mumbaigirl! I am a little confused though…Sorry to repeat the info but I would like to get clear on this …

The place in my town that I am paid for 3 treatments is Coolglide. I have had one treatment of all areas with Cutera xeo prowave ( Coolglide) machine with settings bikini / underarm on ndyag side of - 55 and 20 with pulses of greater than 20 . My lower legs was done with same machine but despite my wishes, the IPL side was used setting was B with pulses between 18-20 ( whatever that means?? )

The place I had the chance of going was out of town. the machine used was Cynosure and the laser name is Apogee. The settings varied depending on the area treated. For areas with course hair (lower legs, bikini, underarms) the fluency was 25, pulse width was 15-40, fine hair it was same fluency with pw of 10. All body areas done with the nd:yag laser. Face done with alexandrite laser with fluency 13 pw 10.

Unfortunately I don’t know when i will have the chance to return to the out of town location with the Apogee but I would like to know the best settings in case I do and perhaps to ask the tech there about these low settings , as I was told they were high and am really not interested in wasting my time and money on something that wont work. He did a test and saw sparks and said that that is when you can tell that it is the right setting to treat hair.

The local place which i must go to for the 3 treatments did not do any tests and seems very low power with no pain at all. I wonder what is a better setting for the Coolglide? My next appointment I will mention this.
Can you clarify best settings for Coolglide and Apogee ? I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE ADVICE!!!

#14

The spot size was 15 and my skin is 2 or 3 .

#15

I’m not a laser expert so I can’t recommend exact settings. Plus, I’m not very familiar with Cynosure lasers. I can tell you GentleYag( also a Yag laser) goes upto 44J on the 15 mm spot size and as a skin type 4/5, I can go upto 30J. Your settings seem to be on the lower side for skin type 2/3. Nevertheless, if I were you, I’d stick to CoolGlide as it is in the same town and should work on coarse hair at decent settings. They really need to test your skin to see how much YOUR skin can handle safely without burning. 35-40J is like the bare minimum on CoolGlide with the 10mm spot size. As a skin type 2/3, you can easily go upto 50J or even higher- provided you’re not tanned. 40-50J should be enough though. Pulse width should ideally be 20ms or less. How did your 1st session go? Did you experience shedding?

#16

Thanks for the specifics . you are very helpful!
The coolglide place doesnt not seem to be too open with adjusting settings or communicating but yes at least located where I live! They did not do any tests to see what skin could tolerate though i have no tan and dark hair. The Apogee place did test me and seemed somewhat more professional. So far shedding with Apogee is not great, maybe 50 percent …
My first treatment with coolglide experience is all written in a thread http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/94936/Red_welts_normal_reaction_Cute.html#Post94936
A bit of a saga! Shedding was ok for armpits and side of bikini but missing areas for sure. With on other choice in town and wanting to do laser before i go gray, I am not feeling like I have much room for choice ;(
YOur advice here really helps so much.

#17

Where are you located?

#18

sent you a PM

#19

Didn’t get.

#20

re sent!