Me, too. I think it will, with all honesty! Looking forward to your feedback.
So…it’s now been 4 weeks and the areas do not look better. In fact they look worse to me. The pocket looking thing and dimple have gotten worse. The pockets on the sides of my lips are hard to the touch. My dermatologist prescribed a prescription steroid and wants to see me again in 2 weeks. Her opinion is the tissue was traumatized from to high of heat. Any thoughts? Thanks.
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I think it will heal without medicants. Sometimes trying to “fix” the problem with medications can make it worse, but the good doctor shouldn’t be second guessed. This is very minor compared to other pictures that have been submitted over the years on Hairtell. Give it much more time than 4 weeks. What caused the freckling on your lower lip? Did you have electrolysis there?
I haven’t used the prescription steroid yet…the things I read about it deterred me from it (like skin thinning.) I will wait it out. I know it looks minor to some…but to me it looks very bad. The pockets are hard…which makes me wonder if it’s scar tissue. I am concerned what the next few months will bring. I have never had Electrolysis near my lower lip…just chin, neck and upper lip. I guess the freckles you are seeing are sun spots. My magnified photos are bringing it all out I guess…lol! Anyway…thanks for taking the time to respond to me again. I guess it’s just a waiting game at this point.
The question I would like to ask you, Mtricha, is “where are the hairs you want removed by electrolysis?”
I know you had treatments, but for what? There is nothing on your face that warrants doing anything.
Are you “going after” those nearly invisible miniscule blond hairs I see?
I have scrutinized your photos. I can’t use the explicatives I’d like to use here on Hairtell (they’d throw me off … and for GOOD cause … ha ha ha). But let me only say …
- You have NOTHING wrong!
I’m pretty sure that if you start applying a steroid, you will then see “damage” from the steroid! There is NO reason for any “prescription” of any kind! There was no “TRAUMA from too much current!” YOU HAVE NORMAL SWELLING that is taking a bit longer to resolve: “Prolonged inflammatory response,” it’s in the literature … look it up.
- You have ZERO possibility of any SCAR forming. ABSOLUTE ZERO! Get this unsupportable thought out of your head! That “dimple” is simply the low spot under/within the swelling.
Take a trip to a 3rd-world country sometime and see real problems. Hell, just travel to Detroit.
Half the world is starving today, and that’s a fact. Check out the worldwide deaths from diseases that could easily be cured by clean water alone (it’s in the millions).
A 27-year-old friend (“Grant”) just got back from 2-years in Afghanistan (army). Now, that’s serious suffering. Grant said, “Most American women should have to live in Afghanistan for a year!” THAT’S suffering women! Kim Kardashian? … She’s at the top of my list to go there!
Go volunteer at your church and start being aware of people with real physical difficulties. Start noticing homeless CHILDREN in your City … the list is endless these days.
Furthermore, every electrologist reading this thread would agree with me … it’s just that “I ‘tells’ it like I ‘sees’ it.” See, you can do this with 40-years in the profession and no concern whatsoever about “how you look in the public arena.”
Oh, and while you’re at it, phone-up your electrologist and apologize to her … you gave her anxiety for nothing! NOTHING! Sleepless nights and fear of being sued? What you’ve done is unfair and wrong.
Why don’t you butt out Michael Bono? Just who do you think you are? You have some nerve. There are not hairs visible to see because I have been getting Electrolysis for 2 years in April…hello! I don’t appreciate your rudeness…it is completely uncalled for. I am concerned because this is not a normal reaction for me. I am not a Electrolysis newbie. I’m sorry…but it is a big deal to me and it is caused from the Electrology treatment I received. Your comparisons to people fighting in Afghanistan and people with “real issues” are completely absurd. Furthermore I am already extremely involved in my church…thank you very much. I was simply asking for people’s thoughts. If you don’t have anything constructive to say…stay off this thread. You have come off as a complete and total @sshole and I feel completely justified in saying so. Find something better to do with your time then reaming on people who have legitimate concerns and questions. Taking the time to write all you did with nothing constructive is quite pathetic. Get a life. I think you should probably stay off this forum for a while because you ate helping no one. Oh and apologize to my Electrologist? Really? You don’t know anything about anything…so try sticking to what you know. Ok!
And…don’t even get involved in something you have no idea about, you are abviously hearing 1 sided info and you have no clue of what really went down and how the situation was handled by my Electrologist. Like I said…butt out! I realize as Electrologists you guys like to protect each other…like to defend Electrology in general. I get it…but the fact of the matter is…mistakes are made all the time.
Okay … sure, I’ll “butt out.” No problem!
You’re right, we all make mistakes all the time. Maybe in electrology, the error rate is double that in other professions. However, this was not the case. Your skin has not suffered any permanent damage. When time has passed and you see it for yourself, then you will be able to appreciate the words of an expert such as Michael Bono.
By the way, if anything has characterized Michael is precisely to always tell the truth, even if that truth is not what a colleague want to hear. Did you know that his expert opinion was required in cases of complaint against incompetent electrologists?
Great!
I hope that is the case…time will tell. My problem is in Michaels delivery…you don’t need to be a complete jerk to get your point across. I think he enjoys it. And…getting 1 sided info and interjecting himself in a situation he knows nothing about is not cool. It shouldn’t even be brought up on here.
I think the consensus is, with time you will be fine, Mtricha.
In regard to what Mike said, you have to know that it was not a personal attack belittling your concern about your lip. He has traveled a lot and is very in tune with depressing current events worldwide, so it is a natural, that he takes the approach to explain how insignificant your swelling is compared to bigger problems that people face. This kind of approach is jolty enough for some people to help them think less about their concerns and thus, can be a helpful strategy. It’s all about perspective.
I just had a nurse friend quit her job at a plastic surgeons office. She couldn’t take women blowing every little wrinkle or brown spot on their face, out of perspective and being depressed by such “insignificant” things. Michael probably expressed what many readers were already thinking, but were not saying.
I know you came here for opinions and you got opinions. We wish you the best, but rest assure, that electrolysis is a very low risk procedure and you will most likely be fine, and you can add my positive opinion to Mike’s and Josefa’s.
The fact you would say his comments weren’t a personal attack is complete BS. I could care less where he was traveling or what he had seen. You don’t get to minimize peoples fears or concerns just because there are more important things going on on the world. You can say that about anything. I have been visiting this forum for a while now…I have seen Michael do this to many others…berating them…trying to make them feel small…all under the heading “I call it like I see it” Well…I’m calling it like I see it…he enjoys berating people because it makes him feel good somehow. It’s quite sad really…and it It won’t work on me. I didn’t do anything to deserve it. I didn’t do Electrolysis to myself…I didn’t cause these issues. Maybe it will go away…maybe it won’t…but…anyone should be able to come here and post a legit question or concern without fear of someone like him feeling he can school and chastise people. And…he has no business getting involved in my personal matters either. If your reading this Michael…thank God I am not a client of yours. Yikes!
Dear Tricia
What angered you is that you don’t think you were being heard (by me). Actually, I do hear you, and understand your feelings. Let me explain.
I have three former clients that are now very close friends. All three of these women are intelligent, fun, and wonderful but WORRY way too much about everything. Maggie called me a couple days ago, because her hot water heater went out. The anxiety in her voice was palpable. I could “hear” her trembling. She had been without hot water for two days. My friend Nick (plumber) got it fixed for her.
I know why she called ME! (Same reason these other two brilliant/wonderful women see me almost weekly. We get together most Sundays for coffee at a place called “Vices & Spices”). Because I’m straight and honest with them. I don’t placate!
All were my patients and all were (actually) out-of-control neurotic about every facet of the treatment. We got through all of it. We are friends. Their basic “personality” has not changed. We talk a LOT!
(Maggie started crying because of my cancer. I stopped her short because the cancer is not serious, I’m getting it fixed and I’ll be fine. I don’t like having cancer either … but …
To me there are three kinds of “problems.”
The first types are those issues that are going to resolve on their own; they just need some time. The second are those issues that you CAN fix, but you have to take action on them. The third types are those “life issues” that you cannot change.
Everyone here on Hairtell has given their opinion that your “upper lip problem” is not a problem and will resolve on it’s own. Indeed, your dermatologist gave you some “anti-inflammation” cream, because that’s all you have. You don’t need the cream; this is going away on its own.
Sure, yes, I was outspoken and MEAN to you. That does not mean I don’t seriously HEAR you and “feel your pain.” I just don’t like to see people suffer for no reason. And, that’s what you are doing. SUFFERING FOR NOTHING!
Besides, I’d rather have you MAD at me than worrying and thinking about your “upper lip!” I have also “jumped on” a few Hairtell clients that endless complain about their hair problem … and really do nothing about it. These folks also get my “encouragement” and end up mad at me too.
It’s okay to be mad at me; I knew you would be. I did it on purpose. The purpose being … STOP SUFFERING NEEDLESSLY. Yeah, I did listen and I DO understand. See, this “insensitive” person is “anything but!"
First let me clarify…I was not angered because I felt unheard by you. Lol! I was angered because you were being an @ss.
I appreciate your stories and how you think they may relate to me…but you seem to be under the impression that I am obsessing and worrying about my lip every second. This is not the case. As I said before…I have concerns because this is an abnormal reaction for me. 4 weeks of swelling is not normal…period…dimpling is not normal.
If you really don’t like to see people suffering…you should probably rethink your methods because all you are doing is adding to the suffering. It’s completely unnecessary and only makes your advice go on deaf ears.
I know you have been conversing with my previous Electrologist…I didn’t appreciate it being brought up in a public forum. Remember…there are always 2 sides to every story. If she wants to go there…I can definitely go there…I don’t think she would like all the things she has done exposed on here.
Ok…that’s it.
No, I have never spoken with your electrologist! Where or where did you get such a wild idea?
You mentioned someplace that “all of you (electrologists) stick together to defend each other.” Truly, there is no CONSPIRACY against you. When a zapperette (or laser tech) makes a mistake, we are quick to point it out (usually too quick).
It’s just that there aren’t any errors in your case. The body sometimes reacts unpredictably … we are not machines. You have no problem.
The key point is that all of us have told you the facts about your “problem” in explicit detail. But you are hanging on to this and not believing any of us. Yeah, sometimes (rarely) people want to hold onto their misery.***
I also sense vindictiveness toward your electrologist. She did nothing wrong and that’s a fact. With your attitude now out in the open, I’m glad I said ALL that I did … you know, getting to know you a bit.
There’s just no consoling you. Nicely, all this will resolve in a few weeks and it will be over.
*** Actually, there are two possibilities (beyond what we’ve discussed here), that might explain your difficulty. However, YOUR DERMATOLOGIST obviously didn’t think so and didn’t consider this … thus, I’m certainly not going to give you more “fuel” (ammunition?) for your angst.
I will not be posting on this subject again, and I wish you well. Now, it’s just boring.
Oh please. I’m not an idiot. You gave yourself away by your 2nd comment. Please don’t post on here again. I have listened and valued everyones advice and opinions until you came along and turned it into something ugly with your bad behaviour.
I am in no way vindictive towards my Electrologist…so again Michael…Butt out and stop making wild accusations in your posts and there wont be a problem. If you go back and re read the posts…everything was great until you inserted yourself in and insulted me. Stop trying to give me advice…what your opinion is…I want nothing from you…get it? You have showed your true Colors over and over on these boards. The only thing I am hanging onto is making sure you don’t get away with treating people like garbage. I am sorry no one has stood up to you before…it must be quite hard for you to deal with. Maybe you will learn before you open your mouth next time.
Please stick to your word and don’t post on here again. As for the other Electrologists who gave their opinions and advice…thank you so much! Thanks for your kindness and professionalism. I am sorry this has turned so ugly…it has nothing to do with the constructive advice given…I have taken all your advice and opinions to heart. I posted on here again because I was asked to give updates and that is what I was doing. How it became I am not listening and am obsessing over my lip is something Michael is trying to create.
Given the above quote, it definitely sounds to me like you were being vindictive to your electrologist. Just a layman’s opinion mind you but that’s how I see it.
You’re wrong though that Michael hasnt been challenged on his opinions before here. Yours truly has taken him to task more than once.Guess why? Because I got upset at something he said and took offense to it. Yanno what? I would have been wrong!
I stood back and didnt comment when I first saw Michaels comments. Because honestly, I thought them a little harsh. I’ve grown to know the man a little bit here though and sometimes he does put himself in a difficult position of coming across as a “bully” for speaking the truth. Fact is sometimes you have to BE a little harsh to get through to some people and you appear to be such a person. Michael has 40 years in electrology and a world class reputation as a top electrologist. He of all peoople would be the first to be strait up with you , and he has.Even if he ruffled your feathers.
I have no doubt whatsoever that Michael has not spoken to your electrologist. He doesnt do things like that behind peoples back.
I’d like to point out though, that no matter your feelings toward him, he hasnt said anything everyone else here has. That what you are seeing will heal and resolve itself without any help . I understand this wasnt your first electrolysis session and that you were concerned over what seemed to be a reaction you havent experienced before.PLEASE take some time to sit back and consider what he has said to you more carefully. I honestly dont think he was being deliberately being hurtful, but the point he was making to you was honest and accurate. Dont take it personally.
Seana
You all have no idea what is going on with my former Electrologist. Michael does know her side of things…because he has been conversing with her. I know this to be a 100% fact. Please don’t try to defend something you know nothing about. I would appreciate no further comments on the matter from anyone…as it is a private matter not to be discussed on an open forum.
I also wish people would stop saying things like " he is portrayed a bully for speaking the truth." You don’t have to be a bully to speak the truth…you don’t have to belittle people to speak the truth. You can be honest and straight forward without all his nonsense. You can say he hadn’t said anything anyone else hadn’t said…but it’s simply not true…nobody else behaved rudely or tried to chastise me as he did. Why anyone would come to defense of this behavior is beyond me. This isn’t about my lip…ok everyone. I am well aware of everyone’s opinions on that matter. It’s great…it’s wonderful…you all expect it to heal and everything will be fine. I appreciate it…I am believing this is the case and time will tell. We can stop posting about it. But…I will respond if people tried to defend something that is in defendable in my opinion. I don’t care how you try to wrap it…rude is rude!