Electrolysis in France

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I’d like to prevent, that i’m a french guy, so my english mustn’t be very good :wink:

I’d like to create a beauty salon in France, using electrolysis.
there is some issues cause of law in France, because electrolysis is considerate as a medical technic, so can be use only by Doctors.

I’ve a solution, but not sure that it will correctly operate.

I’ve some questions about prodcuts.
I’d like to use an Apilus Platinium, cause i’ve seen that it one of the best (not really sure, cause we have no comparison in french on the internet.
What do you think about that?

What’s more, i’d like to know if there is some professional dealer in Europe.
I’ve ask in Canda for the price of such a product, and it cost (for Canda) about 6500$. If i want to import it in France, it will cost 10 000$. Look strange…

And a last question: except a 2-3 days training/studies do we need something more tto learn how to use such products ?

Thaks

And really sorry for my bad English :frowning:

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The 2 day training courses are for LASER machines.
Electrolysis is an artful science that requires much more time to become decent at practicing. Ask anyone on here who has bought a machine to use at home. The learning curve for electrolysis is measured in months, not days.

I can explain the difference in price for you. $10,000 is the retail price of the Apilus Platinum. If the company is to send it to you and clear customs, you can’t expect a discount. $6,500 is more likely a demonstrator model, or a used unit from a practitioner who has retired, or otherwise given up the practice. The lowest I have ever seen a used Platinum go for is $5,000 and the lowest I have ever seen a Platinum Pure sell used was $3,500, but I would not expect to find that deal too often.

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Some peoples (2 or 3) have tell me that they have bought thier Apilus from Dectro for 6500$.
But i’ve found a dealer, working for DECTRO, in UK. And it will cost 7200€ if i buy one. So, that quite better :wink:

For training, DECTRO propose me some “teacher” and they just said that the training last 2-3 days.
I can undestrand that for a doctor, comprehension about skins and hair is quite easyer, and that they just have to learn how the products work…
But there is no more training anywhere?
She has to improve by training so… :o

And what about Apilus Platinum. Is ti really the best one on the market?

Thanks for your answer !
I’m quite afraid about creating such a beauty salon in France -___-’

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Electrolysis takes months to years to master. It involves insertions into each follicle. That takes skill. You’ll need a lot more than a 2-3 day course.

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You might consider the Platinum Pure instead of the “big” Platinum, ideally with the synchro module. Then You have all the functionality of the Platinum needed for a single user salon, except of “Evuloblend” - a mode of which i do not understand its usefulness - and a lot cheaper.

If there is a Dectro distributor in France it might be difficult to order a machine in a different country.

Training is a big issue in almost every European country. To my (incomplete) understanding of the situation there are some countries where Electrolysis is embedded into a broader college education in skin treatment (Great Britain, Netherlands). In other countries including Germany You are lucky to find a school where You can to book courses, and the best You can get is a series of (intense) 3 day trainig. Most of the Know How must be figured out “on the Job”, especially concerning the modern, fast and efficient approaches. To illustrate - i took two of these courses and did a lot of training on myself until i dared to treat my first customers.

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Years, especially if You are mostly on Your own.

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Salut Mangaku.

Je ne comprends pas pourquoi les lois en France sont tels qu’un service tel que l’électrolyse ne peut être effectué par les médecins. Est-ce vraiment vrai? Comme mon ami dit Josefa, «bureaucratie Damn!" Il incomberait-vous prendre l’avion pour la ville de Québec à la fin du mois d’août au colloque de l’électrolyse Dectro moderne. Je me suis inscrit en retard et à cette époque, Dario dit qu’ils ouvert taches parce que la demande d’assister a été au delà de ce qu’ils prévoyaient. Je suis très heureux avec leur produit. J’utilise le Platinum Apilus et tous les trois des modes de thermolyse offerts. Synchro est un de mes favoris et un véritable must pour tout achat d’une platine ou pur. Ces épilateurs sont parfaits pour une utilisation de salon, car plusieurs électrolystes peut signer le épilateurs mêmes en utilisant leur propre code. Si vous pouvez passer les diktats et les règlements gouvernementaux et effectivement démarrer une entreprise pour servir le poilu, vous ferez beaucoup de gens très heureux.

Hi Mangaku.

I cannot understand why the laws in France are such that a service such as electrolysis can only be performed by doctors. Is this really true? As my friend Josefa says, “Damn bureaucracy!”

It would behoove you to fly to Quebec City at the end of August to Dectro’s modern electrolysis symposium. I registered late and at that time, Dario said they opened up spots because the demand to attend has been beyond what they anticipated.

I am very pleased with their product. I use the Apilus Platinum and I use all three of the thermolysis modes offered, mainly. Synchro is one of my favorites and a real must for anyone purchasing a Platinum or Pure. These epilators are great for salon use because several electrologists can sign on to the same epilator using their own code.

If you can get past the government dictates and regulations and actually start a business to serve the hairy, you will make many people very happy.

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Good morning Dee, I was planning on going to Quebec in August, but I must renew my passport, I will do so next Monday, the first day of my vacation. It’s too late to reserve a place at the symposium? How can I contact Dario? have you got his email address?

Bonjour Mangaku, où, dans la France, vous pensez à établir votre centre d´Electrology? Je pense que c’est une excellente idée et si vous êtes près de la frontière avec l’Espagne, vous pouvez obtenir de nombreux clients du nord de mon pays.

J’ai lu que il y a au moins un centre Apilus à Paris.

Bonne chance et bienvenue à Hairtell!

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That’s one of the differences between the Pure and the big Platinum: the Pure is single user and does not need/offer a sign on. The synchro module must be ordered as an addon for the Pure.

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Yes, indeed, Beate. Thank you. I would advise anyone ordering a Pure to have Synchro added, it’s just that wonderful. Expect to pay in the $400 range to add Synchro to your Pure “toolbox”.

For Manga:

Oui, en effet, Beate. Je vous remercie. Je conseille à tous de commander un pur avoir Synchro ajouté, il est juste que merveilleux. Attendez-vous à payer entre 400 $ pour ajouter à votre Synchro pure "boîte à outils».

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Jossie,

You can see all the information in this packet. I called the 1-800 number, that Is listed on page 17, but there are three other ways to register. Dario said that they are responding to the demand and will accommodate more as needed. I would call Monday.

http://www.dectro.com/symposium2011.pdf

Hope to see you there, Jossie.

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Thanks everybody.
I see that it’s a great debate for France or Europe.

I’ve ask Dario for import an Apilus in France. It will cost more than 13 000$
A bit expensive i think.
There is a dealer in UK. Buying him a Apilus will cost 7200€.
Big difference !!!

For law… thanks french doctor =)

Ans for depilacionelectr, i’m going to create it in Toulouse (not so far with spain :P)
and for the salon in Paris… they have no doctors, so they illegal… but no one say anything

I’ve some question about other equipement (chair, table, filament)
How much does it cost. what’s the best for a salon manage by only one employee?
How much do you think does it cost to crete such a beauty salon?

In french:
Merci tout le monde.
Je vois que l’électrolyse en France est sujet à de nombreux débats.

J’ai demandé a Dario combien cela me couterait d’importer un Apilus en France. Ca me reviendrait à un peu plus de 13 000$.
Un peu cher je trouve.
En passant par un revendeur en UK, cela me couterait 7200€.
sacrée différence quand même !!!

Pour les lois francaises…merci aux médecines francais (pour développer: le laser est plus rentable. Il y a donc un lobby autour du laser afin qu’ils se gardent un monopole. La loi ne changera jamais tant que le monopole des médecins pour les laser ne tombe pas)

Pour depilacionelectr, je vais créer mon salon à Toulouse (pas très loin de l’Espagne donc ;))

J’ai des questions pour les autres équipements (table de travail, chaise pour le praticien, logiciel de caisse, filaments, etc)
A combien reviennent tous ces investissements, et lesquels choisir? Quid des filaments?
A votre avis, monter un salon de ce style avec un unique employé revient à combien en terme d’investissement?

Could be easier to change: [email protected]
Peut etre plus facile pour échanger: [email protected]

Je désire vraiment proposer une solution alternative, et lutter contre les lois francaises n’est vraiment pas évident :frowning:

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I think you are very brave to want to spend money on an elecrolysis set up, knowing it is illegal without a doctor. It shouldn’t be this way in France when many countries train electrologists to work on the hairy. I’m thinking how overloaded physicians are here in the United Stares taking care of hypertension, cancer, diabetes and all the self-inflicted diseases that people bring on themselves and I can’t even imagine how they would have the time or talent to do elecrolysis, in particular.

I am guessing you would need no more than fifteen to twenty thousands dollars, to be generous, to get a good set up. So, about 10,400 - 13,800 euro’s.

Pardon any translation errors. In French:

Je pense que vous êtes très courageux de vouloir dépenser de l’argent sur un elecrolysis mis en place, sachant qu’il est illégal sans un médecin. Il ne devrait pas être de cette façon en France où de nombreux pays le train électrolystes pour travailler sur les poilus. Je pense comment les médecins surchargés sont ici, dans les regards Unis en prenant soin de l’hypertension, le cancer, le diabète et toutes les maladies auto-infligées que les gens apportent à eux-mêmes et je ne peux même pas imaginer comment ils auraient le temps ou le talent de faire elecrolysis, en particulier. Je devine que vous n’aurait pas besoin de plus de quinze à vingt milliers de dollars, à être généreux, pour obtenir un bon jeu en place. Ainsi, environ 10 400 - € 13 800 de.

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Thank you, Dee, I hope to see you there too.

Mangaku, mon Dieu, la “ville rose”, bel endroit.
S’il vous plaît appelez-moi Josepha.

Dee est correct, d’abord, vous n’avez pas besoin de faire beaucoup d’investissements. Je suppose que nous convenons tous que le capital le plus important d´un centre d’électrologie est le capital humain. L’électrolyste que vous engager doit être capable et désireux/se de se former à de nombreuses heures jusqu’avoir un certain degré de formation professionnelle.

Il ou elle devra élever sa vue pour déterminer la profondeur de l’insertion, ainsi que pour détecter une réaction undésirée sur la peau. Ses mains doivent être synchronisées avec son pied pour ne pas jouer de la pédale avant du temps, cela avant de passer à la manière automatique sans pédale. Il ou elle doit avoir un bon domaine de tout le relatif au cycle du poil, effets secondaires, différentes stratégies pour aborder différentes zones du corps et du visage, d’un bon sens artistique pour obtenir un patron naturel. En résumé, cela n’est plus que le principe, et comme tout commencement, le meilleur est de commencer par un bon livre. Avez-vous acquis un bon livre déjà ?

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I’ll open a thread in our section prof, it may be also useful for current and future electrologists.

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That’s very nice Josefa.
Thanks a lot!

C’est très gentil Josefa.
Merci beaucoup !