Electrolysis concerns

Hi!

I’m new here – well, sort of. I’ve been lurking around a few months, but I finally wanted to make a post. I’m 29 years old, white female, who is undergoing electrolysis (thermolysis). I’ve read through the forums here and have received a lot of great information, but there are things I still don’t understand. I just want to make sure that I’m on the right path.

First, a little history about me. The biggest factor: I’ve been obese all of my life. I think a lot of my issues resulted from an eating disorder I’ve struggled with since I was a young girl. I am a compulsive eater and always have been. My highest weight was 350 on a 5’9 frame. Since late last year, through dieting alone, I have shed nearly 100 pounds. It has given me confidence that I’ve never had. I have PCOS and have dealt with facial hair since puberty and now I want that gone, too, to boost my confidence even more. Besides my face, I have no abnormal hair growth anywhere else on my body. I don’t have a full beard either. I have hairy sideburns and a hairy chin and neck. My cheeks, thankfully, look good. I’ve always shaved, but became addicted to tweezing within the last year or so. I’ve stopped altogether within the past month and went back to shaving. My skin was scarred. There’s basically enough hair on my face that I know people, including family, see and talk about it. I’ve been made fun of. I’ve considered suicide (it’s that depressing at times) and it has ruined relationships. I don’t let people into my life all because of the excess hair. It’s not fun when my own mother looked at my face once and looked shocked and said, “You have dark hairs all over your neck!” I was 15 years old and that day was the day I became obsessed with my condition – not in a healthy way. To this day, my mother has never said another word to me about it. She knows to tread lightly.

I began thermolysis in early September. The lady I’m seeing has a very nice, quiet office and works alone. She’s about 20 minutes from my home. I began with a 15 minute test and have had 45 minute treatments three times since I began. I’m just confused about the process. Why do I have full growth again in just a few days if she clears the hair? Shouldn’t it last longer? I’ve never understood the definition of a full clearance and what it actually means. I don’t see any differences yet and I still leave with a scratchy face each time, although I know she’s working her butt off. She’s working on the dark hairs and not the white hairs. I still FEEL the white hairs, though, so surely she can as well. My face stays red, irritated, and bumpy for up to a week after each session and then I get zapped again, so I know my skin can’t heal. I use tea tree oil, witch hazel, and pure aloe vera during the week to soothe the area.

I see other photos on here and they seem to have no new growth after they have an area cleared, so why am I? What exactly is full clearance? What expectations should I have for just the neck and chin area? Why do I form welts for 1-3 days after each treatment? Am I pushing the panic button too soon? She answers every question I present to her, but I’m still just scared and not confident that I’ll be free of hair.

Thank you for reading this and I appreciate any input!

Tweezing only stopped a month ago. Client is still shaving.

3, 45 minute sessions since early September - So tweezing only ceased before the first session.

Really, your electrologist should have informed you what to expect from the first three months given the above. Sigh!

You only have no new growth after an effective full clearance (this means removing pretty much all the hairs) IF the area has been untouched (definitely no tweezing and no shaving) for at least 3 months prior. In a facial case, full clearance of an untouched area wouldn’t necessarily happen in a single session anyway.

In regards to the skin… we need photos.

Thank you for the reply. The woman I’m seeing doesn’t like to make promises of expectations because we are all going to respond differently, and I respect that because it’s an honest statement. She has 19 years of experience in our city. I just feel like I don’t know what to look for from week to week.

Here is a photo of my face tonight. My last session was four days ago. The red bumps all have hair growing in them. These might not be from electrolysis, but perhaps my many months of plucking. I’ve never understood why my hairs grow with tiny red bumps under them. I just don’t know if it’s that (tweezing) or from ineffective or poor treatment.

I apologize that it’s sideways. The photo editor doesn’t give me a rotating option!

Crazybeutiful, I wasnt going to respond to anything on this board for a while but your story frankly touched me. Some here know I’m a single parent…but not WHY. My first wife was morbidly obese, 5 ’ tall and over 450 lbs her entire adult life. It literally destroyed her life. She died at 39 years of age, basically from complications due to her obesity.I have 2 children from her and they miss their mom very much. It can affect you in some very profound ways, one of the key ones of which is self perception. Which is where you are having trouble with your hair growth.Just know that obesity can be beaten, my second wife did similar to yourself and lost 130 lbs in a little over a year to put her at a ( almost) height typical weight of 200. She still struggles to maintain it, but she’s winning the fight something my first spouse could never do. It’s not an easy thing to do, but if you can get over the depression it causes you and just GO it can be done. You’ve already proven that.Keep up the good work, and the good spirits, it’ll become infectious after a while.

The red dots are from irritation from the growing out hair. Your skin isnt accustomed to it and it’s an irritant. It probably itches too. Some may be slightly ingrown.
Since you suffer from PCOS, can I assume you are on medication for that such as spirolactone or Cyproterone ? If you arent, this is part of the issue. PCOS causes tetosterone in your bloodstream to be higher. It PROBABLY is giving you extra energy, and irritability, in addition to turning velus ( fine white) hairs into terminal dark ones. If you arent on medication for your condition, seek the help now, or you’ll soon find yourself fighting the same kind of regrowth over and over again.
The other reason you are seeing the new hair growth, is from the prior plucking.It can take up to three months or more for all the prior plucked hairs to show their ugly head again, this time thicker, and stronger. This is because the hair folicle builds the hair stronger as a defense mechanism. In short, the more you plucked the more thin velus hairs will turn into big terminal dark ones. So it goes without saying that you should KEEP stopped and let the electrolysist remove these for you.
I’m sorry to say, just judgeing from the number of dots I’m seeing it’s gong to take alot more than 3X45 minutes (2 hour and 15 minutes total) to remove the hair. You WILL get some regrowth, but that’s not what you are seeing now, that’s hair that was unavailable tot he electrolysist because it hadnt sufaced yet. Financially, and time wise, you should probably prepare youself for upwards of 20 hours ( this is a TOTAL guestimate, so please take it lightly) , however, that said, ITS WORTH IT. Once those folicles are killed they stay dead., and assuming you are controlling the PCOS withthe appropriate medication, you can and will have the problem licked.
Keep your spirits up and trust in your electrolysist. She seems to be doing a good job. I want to stress though what you are seeing is NOT regrowth in the newly treated folicles. You will get some of that, but that’s not what this is. It’s just hairs you plucked before that are now regrowing. You;ll see more of this over the next 3 months while the hairs previously plucked regenerate.
I wish you good luck, and keep those spirits high, you are on the right track and you know it.

Seana

Hi, Seana!

Thank you for your very sweet and helpful reply. To let you know, I’m no longer on medication for PCOS. I had been on Sprinolactone, but my body responded in a way that my doctor felt was not good for me. It put the high testosterone back into normal ranges, but it caused my estrogen levels to become three times higher than what they should be and put me at risk for complications. This scared me and I felt I had no choice and I stopped taking it. Several months after that, my estrogen level returned to normal and my testosterone level was also normal, but that could be different now. That was last checked in May. For me, after obsessively observing my facial hair in the mirror daily, it has not worsened over the past many years. I also think losing weight has helped tremendously. I know losing weight can calm wacky hormones, too. If my hormones are in normal range, even with PCOS, regrowth isn’t guaranteed, right?

I’m happy to hear you think these red dots are just irritation from new hair growth. This makes me feel so much better. They are just unsightly and I want them gone, but it sounds like with time, patience, and good electrolysis treatment they eventually will be. I know it’ll take more time to clear my face, especially since I’m a former daily tweezer, but I wasn’t sure what to expect. I am having only a tiny spot worked on compared to most people.

I thank you both for your responses. I feel much better about the process I’m going through right now! With each session, it can only get better…right? I’m going to keep going and just let her do her thing each week. I’m winning the battle with my weight and hopefully my facial hair, too. I just want to finally be the person I want to be – skinny and hair free. I’m in control of both right now. :slight_smile:

You’ll need to check your levels periodically to make sure testosterone levels stay within a normal range. Often when the body undergoes drastic changes such as weight loss they can vary for a while but if you have PCOS this woould have been confirmed with ultrasound. The existance of tumors doesnt usually go away especially when only treated with spiro for a short term, and even when they do they can come back even years later. For this reason it’s important to check levels about every six months.Keep close tabs on your levels.
Even if Spiro had this undesireable effect, there are other antiandrogens that might not. Cyproterone (androcur) for example ( which is a VERY strong antiandrogen) .Also T levels dont spike right away just because you stop taking spiro, it takes time, so while they may have seemed normal when you stopped or just after, they could well be back where they are by now. In short, get some bloodwork.Generally speaking, once you re on Spiro you take it for life. Estrogen levels arent usually affected, so you should look for another cause for the spike in estrogen. It may be that your spiro dose was too high as well, I for example take 100 mg twice a day, but for a different purpose , but it also comes in 25 mg and 50 mg doses.

Seana

My doctor never offered other anti-androgens. I stopped taking it in January and my levels were still normal in May. That was the last check, so five months off of it gave me hope. I was diagnosed with PCOS in 2010 based on high testosterone alone. Is there a possibility that I don’t have it? The doctor, who doesn’t treat me at this time, did not have me go through any other testing. I never had an ultrasound.

Even with PCOS, electrolysis is treatable. I know new growth is possible, but I’ve been battling this for YEARS and it’s not any worse than it was ten years ago. It’s more controlled.

If they didnt do an ultrasound, then they didnt properly diagnose it. They cant tell from hormone levels alone because there can be alot of other causes for this. The purpose of the ultrasound is to check for the presence of tumors in the ovaries. No tumors, no PCOS.
Stick with the electrolysis. But go to another doctor and have them rescreen you for PCOS.

Seana

Seana - I am not sure where you are getting your information from. There is a difference between PCO and PCOS. A patient can be diagnosed with PCOS and be treated for the symptoms in the absence of cysts on the ovaries.

CrazyBeautiful, it’s not my place to discuss your PCOS but I would bet good money that if you continue to lose weight, eat healthily (you need to eliminate processed carbs from your diet) and partake in regular exercise, you can alleviate your PCOS symptoms. PCOS and Type II Diabetes are inextricably linked. Some doctors do prescribe Metformin but by far the best way is to get the weight under control and be healthy.

I will write more about the actual electrolysis later but suffering from PCO or PCOS is not the killer of electrolysis as people like to make it out to be. A good electrologist will be able to permanently remove all the problem hair you currently have in a good time frame. A PCO or PCOS patient may just have to have ‘touch-up’ treatments in subsequent years to remove any newly stimulated hair.

Again, your electrologist really should explain this stuff to you!

stooppittandtidyup, my understanding was that they didnt diagnose without confirming that tumours are actually present. I do know that these tend to subside during treatment with spiro, and now that she has revealed the timeframe ( 3 years ) of spiro this is a very possible scenario. If I’m wrong on this, then I stand corrected, I dont pretend to be a medical doctor ( which is who should make the determination anyway). I wasnt aware they diagnosed on symptoms or T levels alone, but I’m definitely open to knowing if this is the case.
Nightfrost, my partner, was screened for PCOS because of high T levels. They performed an ultrasound and found no Tumors, so declared that the T levels were NOT cused by PCOS so that’s where I got my information from. He still has high T levels ( something he doesnt mind in the least , since he;'s a pre-hormone transguy) . Perhaps in different locations, they use different criteria to diagnose, I cant determine if this is the case.

I’m also wondering about your reported link with diabetes. Nightfrost is why I’m wondering. He has one of the healthiest BMI’s and diet of anyone I know, and zero diabetes. Could you provide more information on this link?

Seana