Doing something about THE hair...

Hi,

I have been lurking in these forums for a few months, absorbing information, learning about different methods and (most importantly) reading the stories from so many other women who are experiencing the same kinds of insecurities and problems. Just reading other people’s stories and knowing I am not alone is a huge help.

I am in my 30s. I juggle family-life, full time job and part time University studies. It’s a lot to juggle and I am very limited financially as to how much and what I can do about “the problem”.

My mother and father are Mediterranean. My mother has some hair problems and I remember when I was younger that she would bleach her facial hair and eventually she started getting electrolysis. We never really talked about it though. In my mid teens, I started shaving facial hair (yeah, I know this is bad) because it seemed like the easiest way to take care of the problem without having to talk to someone about it. I would sometimes use epilatory creams but I hated the smell and how it would burn my skin and leave it red. I had lots of thin small dark hairs (well, they look very dark because I am pale). They were not coarse, except around the eyebrows - which are VERY thick. The problem areas were mainly sideburns, eyebrows, upper lip. As if this wasn’t bad enough, in the past year, I started getting dark hairs on my chin (the rest of the hairs there are very thin and not too dark).

In the last few years, I have stopped shaving around my brows and started plucking but I am pretty sure the damage has already been done. I pluck my chin hairs so it’s not too bad there.

Basically the facial hair is the area that bothers me the most. I live “up north” so most of the year, I’m covered up and so the body hair (bad spots are legs, armpits, bikini and sparse dark hairs just below my belly button) is less of an issue, even though it still irritates me.

I’ll try not to go into too much detail about my emotional state because I think most of us all know and understands what this is like. I have very low self esteem. I try to “blend in” and not be noticed because i figure if I don’t draw attention to myself, they won’t notice the hair. I hate it and the way it makes me look (especially the facial hair). I am nearly always conscious about it when I am alone or around other people. I feel stupid for letting it get to me so much but I can’t help it. The only person I can and have talked about it to is my best friend who admitted to having similar issues much to my surprise because she is very good at hiding her hair problems.

Anyway after months…years…of thinking about it, I finally made an appointment and went to a consultation at a local clinic. I think it went very well and I initially started typing about the experience here…but realized that it probably belongs in the laser forum…so I stopped.

Needless to say - for those of use who are immensely embarrassed about our hair issues and don’t seek professional help for it because of this persistent shame…try reminding yourself that these technicians in the industry have “seen it all”. I got very emotional at my consult today - started crying the moment I started discussing what I wanted done…just because I simply don’t talk about it (except the friend I mentioned earlier) and always try to hide it because it’s so shameful to me. Anyway, I was fine after my initial meltdown, largely because I had a really nice technician who was very sympathetic.

Thanks for reading and thanks to those who have posted their stories in the other forums - you don’t know how greatful I am for your empowerment and inspiration.

Welcome to the forum! From your description, it sounds like you have completely NORMAL and common hair problems to most females of your ethnic origin. Actually, a lot of women have hair on all those areas. Some hair is just darker and more noticeable.

Here are some of my thoughts on your situation:

  1. Shaving does NOTHING to the hair. It’s actually the BEST way to temporarily handle your situation. It’s an old-wive’s tale that shaving has anything to do with making the growth worse. The only things that can make it worse are your hormones and plucking/waxing (any removal of hair with the root basically) for some people on some areas. So I would highly recommend for you to shave or clip your facial hair instead while you wait to get electrolysis.

  2. Since you’ve been reading the forums for a while, you probably know by now that your facial hair will need to be treated with electrolysis, not laser. So I hope that’s not the area that you went to the consultation for. Underarms and bikini are GREAT areas to treat with laser because laser works on corse dense hair. However, for any finer hair or coarse sparse hair (especially on a woman’s face where laser can induce more growth) needs to be treated with electrolysis instead. Laser is ONLY for dense coarse hair.

  3. For your body areas with coarse dense hair, you need laser. Since you’re Mediterranean, you’re probably somewhere between a type III and IV. So an alexandrite laser like GentleLASE may still be good for you. Test spot is necessary to make sure you can handle high enough settings.

  4. For your face, you’ll need electrolysis. Ask your mom if she got results. Where are you located? There may be recommendations for electrologists in your area on the forum already. Use the Advanced search feature and run a search for your state or city name.

  5. For your eyebrows, you’ll also need electrolysis since precision is necessary to achieve the shape you want.

  6. I don’t know how much you can afford, but it’s pretty doable for someone with a job and some income, at least for most people. Laser on small areas like underarms and bikini only costs about $100-150 per treatment. And you only need treatments once every 2-3 months, so you have time to save up in between. Also, most take credit cards. Electrolysis is about $65 per hour and removes 5-10 hairs per minute. All of my electrologists took credit cards. And you’ll only be going in once every 2 weeks or so to start and then every 3 weeks after a while, so you also have time to save up.

Btw, I had all these areas done, so you can read my story below. I got rid of everything using a combination of laser and electrolysis depending on the area.

I so wish I had found this forum 6 months earlier!!! I have had laser on upper lip, chin area, middle of eyebrow (Mediterranean female) and was happy with results. So I decided to tackle sideburn area and dowdy hair on side’s of face - big mistake! The hair on sides of face have defo got worse (darker and stronger) and has also started growing around neck area. Having recently found this forum and done lots of reading I realised I should not have touched sides of face with laser. But it’s too late now. I am still wondering whether laser is to blame for extra hair growth or whether it could have been the change in contraceptive pill (I went on the ‘mini pill’ but I had been on the ‘combination pill’ for years). Its hard to say what is at fault, whether it was the Pill or the Laser (or just my raging hormones) but I started both around the same time. My doctor also said that the Pill I was put on is known to have these side affects. Since I noticed the extra hair growth I have stopped the Pill altogether and I have just started laser again on face (alexandrite apogee laser) to see if it helps before converting back to electrolysis once most hairs have gone - Should I have done this?

It’s a gamble, but if it gets worse with more laser or doesn’t work at all, just remember good, old steady friend in time of need, electrolysis, will clean up the mess. So, whatever the cause, the hair will not go away on it’s own. The problem is, there aren’t that many qualified electrologists in some parts of the world to clean up the mess whether it be caused by laser hair stimulation, medications, disease, heredity, etc…

Unless you have dark COARSE DENSE hair there now, I wouldn’t waste your time and money on laser on this area. It’s probably that laser had something to do with the extra growth (this is very common on Mediterranean skin types on the face), though the pill could have affected it too.

Have you considered going on the pill that actually controls hair growth like Yasmin?

I would recommend for you not to touch your face with laser at all. You’re not the right skin type for it and you don’t seem to have the right type of hair either. Stick with laser for areas of your body with dark coarse hair like bikini, underarms, legs, etc.

Do let us know what settings are being used on the Apogee alex when you post on the laser forum.

hi…yes…by reading other forums, i actually meant reading other threads on this forum…lagirl’s, among others, being one that was really informative. also read the FAQ’s in the laser/electrolysis sections - very very helpful…

i only asked about facial hair - for now i want to try this one area (since it’s the one that bothers me the most) and see how things go before diving in (because i have a feeling i am going to get addicted to this) and doing other areas. i’m torn between trying the laser and seeing if it works there first or going straight to electrolysis. the tech seems to be leaning much more towards laser but she will do electrolysis if i insist upon it - she was very nice and not one to put a lot of pressure. i have until my appointment on saturday to think about that…

i’m in montreal, canada. tech is using a lightsheer laser. test area on chin was done at 30mm (at least i think that’s what i saw her write on my file - should have asked but i was too frazzled by this whole experience not to mention that i had a big exam at school tonight too). for my thick dark brows - she recommended i see a threader first to get a good shape/thickness i will be happy with before she starts the electrolysis in that area. i agreed with this as well. anyway, i will stop here because i know this forum/thread is not the appropriate place to be putting this kind of info.

i have taken photos so i can start documenting this whole procedure and the results for myself. if things start going by the wayside, i will be back to this forum for advice on what to do…

anyway, thanks for reading, for the help/advice and for sharing your stories and knowledge.