I submitted them a couple requests for information through their website but have not heard anything back from them. It says on their website that they treat african americans as well, or do they just treat TG individuals? Do they treat large scale body hair areas as well? Anybody know? Why are there so few marathon electrology places. You have to wait like 9 months as it is to go to E3000, why doesn’t somebody get smart enough to make another one? Injections of lidicaine would be sweet. The demand is there
The reason why there are not dozens of E3000 style businesses are many, but the highlights are:
It is hard enough to find and/or train and/or keep good electrologists. Getting the professionals with the legal ability to dispense pain management is difficult, and expensive (a bad thing considering the average person thinks the electrolysis treatment itself is already overpriced), and furthermore, most electrologists don’t want to spend 4 hours working on the same person, in the same area, doing the same angles and insertions. (it hurts)
As for E3000, they do in fact treat anyone who makes an appointment. You don’t have to be TG to get work there.
One thing to keep in mind is that there are other options out there for “marathon” sessions, not just E3000.
Personally I think that reliance on injectables for most areas is unneeded if you have a skilled electrologist using modern equipment. Indeed, based on the reports I’ve had from a couple of friends who have had electrolysis with the use of injectables, I think it can end up being a crutch that leads less skilled electrologists to overtreat the area, increasing risk of skin damage. To be clear, I’m not speaking of E3000 here - I haven’t heard anything particularly negative about them.
Now I can certainly understand wanting lidocaine injections before, say, electrolysis on highly sensitive areas like the genitals. But for the face or most body areas, if done right using up-to-date equipment, it should be pretty painless.
To give a concrete example, hairtell’s very own James Walker did a marathon treatment on me of just shy of 13 hours, basically spread over two days.
That was the first full clearance of my beard - 10,000 hairs removed in under 13 hours. No anesthetic needed. Aside from a few small areas (such as right under the nose), it was pretty much painless. Uncomfortable, mind you… but that has more to do with just sitting around on the treatment table for long periods of time - something that wouldn’t exactly be helped by lidocaine injections.
James does his best to keep you distracted with the DVD player he’s got hooked up to monitors mounted in multiple locations (so you can see regardless of how he’s got you oriented on the table). And taking short breaks every hour or two is pretty important. But speaking as the victim… er, I mean “client”, it was all fairly pleasant. 
I was on a plane home the next day, and within 24 hours of the last treatment, the swelling had subsided. Not a single scab or mark on my face.
In comparison to how easy it was as the “client”, I figure marathon sessions have be pretty tiring for the electrologist! Which is no doubt one of the big reasons why you don’t see more of them offering that sort of treatment.
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It is nice to hear that other electrologists can provide marathon sessions too without lidocaine. I think even if someone can only arrange for or handle a 2-3 hour session at first they are best to get as many of those as close as possible together till they get to full clearance. Once they have achieved full clerance if they maintain a regular schedule they can maintain the clearance with less effort and get permanently rid of the hair in less total hours.
I agree with what the last poster said about there being a danger of overtreatment when using lidocaine. People might also be scared into thinking that it is a “must have thing” too, when as the example above points out that wasn’t their experience.
I think another reason places like E-3000 may be popular is
that they deal with the TS or even CD crowd who are closeted and want to maintain their anonymity. They might be worried about going to the local electrologist and if they will be accepted, outed or whatever. I really feel that some of these people are letting their fear get the best of them since most electrologists today deal with a percentage of “transgender” customers. My own electrologist says that she has learned a lot
about TS women and acceptance from dealing with me for instance.
Alicia
Thanks to the LASER Hair Removal Smear Campaign, people out there still using Kree epilators (none manufactured new since the late 1970’s and no new models since the early 1970’s) and those who have not bothered to hone their skills, many people are scared to death of “Painful Electrolysis.” Even waxing products feel bold enough to say painful electrolysis, when actual electrolysis is LESS PAINFUL THAT WAXING! :mad:
I swear, you never see the word Electrolysis in print without Painful right next to it. Most of my clients fall asleep while I am working on them even when I have a good movie playing, so it can’t be all that horrible.
I am not saying that there are not practitioners out there who wouldn’t have a clue about how to deliver a comfortable treatment. I am just saying that the possibilities of modern electrolysis are such that use of injectables is simply not needed IF YOU SPEND THE BUCKS ON EDUCATION AND EQUIPMENT instead of drugs to make your client numb, while exposing the client to a list of side effects which include shut down of the digestive system, and sudden death.
The results that E3000 give their clients are top notch. On the other hand, I look at their injectables policy as more of a marketing thing to bring people in from far and wide, because they only have that ability because one of the founders was a doctor who already had the ability to dispense meds. Finding someone to do that for your business is either finding a doctor to let you work out of his office, or finding an anesthetist (who makes $150,000 a year) to make a deal with you to service “your puny office’s needs”.
If you are using better equipment than what is being used at E3000/E2000, most areas can be worked comfortably with no outside pain management needed, as long as the client is willing to get their hydration and electrolytes up to decent levels (most Americans are between mildly and seriously dehydrated) go 3 days without caffeine and other pain increasers like alcoholic beverages, cigarettes and so on. The clients really can be their own worst enemy on this point.
Finally, thanks to Omphaloskeptic, for joining the conversation. The overwhelming majority of my clients find me, realize they have found the answer to their permanent hair removal needs, and never visit a website like this ever again, and tell no one of their experience outside of a small circle of friends. I have been saying for years that I don’t see the need for injections outside of the first clearance on the genitals and possibly for multiple clearances of the anus, but without clients coming on here of their own free will to say that they experienced what I was talking about and backing that statement up, it has been something that has rung hollow to people who have nothing but “Blast And Pluck Practitioners” in their area.
On behalf of those who will be helped by your post information, thank you.
I just did a session on Friday - 4 hours with 2 people zapping me at the same time. Not “pleasant”, but certainly not painful enough to warrant injections or even topical (I started to doze a couple of times).
As was mentioned, when I get around to doing the genital area, I will probably want some numbing then, but for hands, face, neck, etc it just really is not necessary unless you have a butcher for an electrologist.
Have a 3 hour on Thursday (x2 people) - finally making some progress.
They just got back to me. $105 per hour which includes Novacaine and Dallas is pretty close to me. I can basically drive it if I wanted to, but I probably won’t.
Are you sure I wouldn’t die if they did large scale from the elbow upper arms, shoulders, upper back all with novacaine in a day or two?
They even have appointments for as soon as late June. Sounds like a great deal to me.
One more thing, maybe I’m just a wuss, but electrolysis definitely does hurt. I’ve been to three, and they all hurt. It is painful, and thats the bottom line from what I have experienced. Yes, it depends on the area. There are parts on my upper arms that don’t hurt one bit, but when you get to the back of the neck, some parts on the upper back, and back of the arm it’s excruciating. Even with Microflash it smarts a little, definitely not as bad, but nothing I would like to sit through 8 hours with. Additionally, with E3000 I would probably have call it quits if I had 2 techs working on me at the same time. I’ve almost had to call it quits one time with one of my electrolysists when they were doing a part of the side of my neck. I still have no idea how anybody could ever fall asleep while getting electrolysis, I can’t even fathom it.
Basically the question you have to ask yourself is if the $105 dollars they charge is worth not being in pain for double the time it would take your regular tech to do, and you can get it all out of the way anyway.
Well, to be clear, I tried a few electrologists before I started seeing James, and treatment with all of them did hurt. A LOT. Now admittedly, I have a very low pain threshold, but still… even using emla and the like, and even with the sessions being very short, I was less than enthusiastic about the prospect of them doing that to my whole beard. Yowch! I couldn’t imagine sitting through 2 hours of that, much less 13.
My point, I guess, is just that there is an absolutely massive difference between electrologists, even those purportedly with a lot of experience. Not one of the electrologists I tried had less than a decade of experience. If I had based my impression of electrolysis solely on my experience with them, I would’ve been begging for injections.