Do it your self laser?

I found a laser on ebay that sells for about as much as electrolyses machines do. Is this an option? Me and my girl both want to use it. I have thick black hair and olive skin (Type: 4)and my girl has thinner dirty blond brown hair and is white as a ghost. It would be for “bikini” area. Would this work for us? Would it be easer than electrolysis?

The laser i found on ebay

These guys are in our Scammer Hall of Fame!

Do a search on DMD500, Home use laser, Vector, and or Global if you want to know about these people, and this item.

Of course, you could just send me the money instead, and I promise not to use it on boat payments, country club fees, or even strippers. Either way, you would have given your money away for nothing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Hmm… That is an interesting offer, but I think instead ill go ahead and buy that Apilus SM-500 off of ebay.

Go to a clinc and get it done. Lasers that work actually cost alot more than 700, but hey I maybe wrong. But from my research, that thing wouldn’t work.

I have been dead set on buying an Electrolysis machine for a wile, when i saw a cheap laser unit i figured id ask about it. I don’t want to go to a clinic because of the areas me and my girl want hair removed from, I just wouldn’t be comfortable. Anyhow, it’s too late now, just bought an electrolysis machine on ebay. Wish me luck

Good luck! Hope you achieve what you want to! If not don’t feel embarrassed all techs have seen it all before.

If you really are set on doing it yourself, please buy copies of at least Richards and Meharg’s Cosmetic and Medical Electrolysis, and Bono’s The Blend Method, both available now from Texas Electrolysis Supply 1-800-626-6025

The Bono Book was unavailable for some time, but a new condensed version is now available again.

I agree. Techs treat every possible area both on males and females everyday. They’re like doctors in that sense. They’re seen everything. You shouldn’t let the areas you want treated stop you from the most effective treatment you can get. If you get a procedure at the hostpital, you wouldn’t be worried about what the doctor will see because they’re seen it all. Same goes here, even more so since all they do is treat hair on ALL areas every single day.

Dear Sir,

My name is Pedro Pereira and I’ve heard of many business scams stories over the internet nowadays, but I didn’t think I could ever become one of these scams’victims.
In resume I’ve bought a laser machine and some accessories to Centre Biotechnique Avance (CBA) and then decided for a refund. At this moment, I don’t have the equipment neither my money.
Below I’ll describe all the facts in a timely manner:

  • November 11th, 2004 – I’ve made the purchase (order number 837129.81), by Wire Transfer, of a DMD Professional Laser Hair Removal System (4999.95 USD), a DMD 2000 Epilator Stand (199.95 USD), 2 units of Laser Hair Removal Carbon Dye (59.90 USD) and 1 Year Warranty Extension (29.95 USD). I’ve paid 5249.50 USD including Sales Tax, Shipping and Discount;
  • December 3rd, 2004 – Received an email from FedEx with my tracking number (shipment 791994876421);
  • December 9th, 2004 – Received the equipment in Porto, Portugal;
  • December 10th, 2004 – I sent an email to CBA with several questions concerning the machine’s functioning and also telling them that I didn’t see enough power in the machine so that it could perform epilation;
  • December 16th, 2004 – I never got an answer to my questions, so I decided to send a fax just like the email;
  • December 17th, 2004 – Finally my CBA contact (named Cynthia) answered me and explained that they already had answered to my questions, but probably I didn’t get the email maybe because of an error of my email provider;
  • December 27th, 2004 – I sent CBA an email and a fax asking for a refund; my laser machine didn’t work at all;
  • January 6th, 2005 – Still no answer to my reclaim, so I sent another fax asking for a refund;
  • January 7th, 2005 – I received a call from Cynthia. She told me that they were experimenting a new laser machine DMD 9000, this one much more powerful, and that if I wanted to, they would exchange my DMD 7500 for this new one;
  • January 7th, 2005 – After asking Cynthia if I had another 90 days to ask for a refund if I didn’t like this machine too, and she confirmed it, I accepted their offer and sent my machine back to them (to: Department A213, 7200 Montgomery Blvd NE B9 B10 # 167, Albuquerque, NM 87109);
  • February 2nd, 2005 – They sent me an email with a projected ship date of my new machine laser DMD 9000 (CBA’s order number EX-1411);
  • February 21st, 2005 – I received the DMD 9000 and began testing it;
  • March 21st, 2005 – The machine didn’t work so I emailed and faxed CBA telling them I’ve decided to return the equipment back to them so that I would have my money back;
  • March 31st, 2005 – Cynthia sent an email offering a new machine this time, DMD 12000. I refused it and asked her again to send me an RMA number (Return Material Authorization).
  • April 23rd, 2005 – After sending several emails without getting any answer from CBA, they finally sent a RMA (2235WT-042205);
  • May 6th, 2005 – I packed the equipment exactly as they asked me to and sent the DMD 9000 back to CBA (same address as above except the R213 Department) hoping to receive my refund;
  • July 12th, 2005 – After many emails and faxes without any reply, I finally received a letter from CBA (Albuquerque, NM, 87110) saying that my equipment was damaged during the shipping, so I couldn’t have a total refund;
  • July 13th, 2005 – I replied with a fax and an email, threatening them with a legal prosecution if my refund wasn’t given to me; Since then, I’ve tried to contact them in several ways (email, fax, phone) but unfortunately without any luck.

During last July I filed complaints in several organizations (BBB, IFCC, Econsumer, FTC, FDA, etc) but too without any answer.
After some investigation, I’ve discovered some websites that have information about this company’s functioning (,, . All of them refer CBA as an internet business scam. In this websites one can read many complaints from angry people, that were victims of this company just like me.
I found more information regarding CBA:

  • Other names of CBA: Global Electrolysis Supply, Electrolyse Automatique International, Allied Distributors, Allied Electrolysis Supply, AAVEXX Electrolysis and Advanced Biotech Center;
  • Adresses of CBA:
    Global Electrolysis Supply
    P.O. Box 3003
    Albuquerque, N.M. 87190
    Drummoral House
    Isle of Whithorn
    Newton Stewart DG8 8JD
    United Kingdom
    On the check itself:
    Global Elec. Supply
    Ph: 1-800-325-8656
    8200 Montgomery Blvd NE #271
    Albuquerque, NM 87109
    429 Danforth Avenue Suite 403 Toronto, ON M4K 1P1 Canada
    This address is actually a Mail Boxes Etc. Phone: 416 406-5866
    “USA Office” was listed as 3167 San Mateo NE #127, Albuquerque, NM 87110-1921.
    This address is actually Mail Boxes Etc. Store #2210:
    “Canadian Office” was listed as 8623 Granville St. #843 Vancouver, B.C. V6P 5A1 Canada.
    This address is actually Mail Boxes Etc. Store #CAN146.
    “Overseas Office” was listed as (814) 452-8953. This is actually a Pennsylvania phone number.
    2002 mail drop box: The Post House, Barracloughs Lane, North Lincolnshire, DN18 5BA UK
    (includes the northern Ohio phone number listed below.)
  • Telephone Numbers:
    Current numbers:
    (888) 281-7740 (from their catalog and websites)
    (888) 281-7739 (from their catalog and websites)
    (800) 325-8656 (from their catalog and websites)
    (419) 710-4577 (this Fax is a northern Ohio phone number used in 2001 and 2002)
    (814) 452-8953 (this “Overseas Office” is a Pennsylvania phone number in use in 2001)
    (413) 521-3361 (this Fax is a Massachusetts phone number used in 2001 and 2002)
    413 521-5578 (this Fax is a Massachusetts phone number used in 2002 in denial of refund letters)
    Former numbers:
    (505) 343-1114 (this is a New Mexico number used in 2001)
    (800) 298-1237
    (866) 838-2254
    (800) 298-1237
  • Bank accounts:
    If you have paid by check or credit card, please send along any information about where the transaction was processed.
    Wire transfer account (from 2003):
    WestStar Bank, 363 East Elkhorn Avenue, Estes Park, CO 80517 1-888-468-6400
    Account name: Global Electrolysis Supply
    Account number: 8600120274
    Routing number: 102103119
    Wire transfer account (from 2001):
    WestStar Bank, 363 East Elkhorn Avenue, Estes Park, CO 80517 (970) 586-4412
    Account name: Global Electrolysis Supply
    Account number: 7201059
    Routing number: 102103119
    (old wire transfer information from 2000)
    WestStar Bank, 363 East Elkhorn Avenue, Estes Park, CO 80517 (970) 586-4412
    Account name: Allied Electrolysis Supply
    Account number: 165462
    Routing number: 102103119
  • Names associated with this company:
    Chris Williams: (also known as “Chris Limon”): Listed as sales contact

“Gregg Manning”: (also known as "Greg Mannon"and “Greg Manning”): listed as website contact
“Deb Shatz”: Listed as President or Vice President
“Linda Amos”: Name used by administrator at call center

  • no longer in operation (redirected to current site)
    website registration: is listed to:
    “Gregg Manning” at “3167 San Mateo NE, Albuquerque, NM 87110-1921”
    This address is Mail Boxes Etc. Store #2210. is listed to:
    “Greg Mannon” at “3301 Coors Rd NW #220 Albuquerque , NM 87120”
    This address is Mail Boxes Etc. Store # 751. is listed to:
    “Greg Manning” at “3167 San Mateo NE #127, Albuquerque, NM 87110-1921”
    This address is Mail Boxes Etc. Store #2210.
  • Service Provider of is registered to Greg Manning.
  • Chris Williams, a.k.a. Chris Limon (GES’ salesman residing in New Mexico) is presently associated with a small privately-owned company known as Extreme Web Development (Adress: 2460 Bear Valley Pkwy., Suite 78, San Diego, CA 92027; ph: 001 (760) 839-6794; email:

I know that a new company in Canada named Medicam Inc. ( and has been selling the same equipment CBA used to. I’ve emailed the owner, and he told me that they were partners, but now they aren’t.
In resume, I don’t know if this company is situated in U.S.A., Canada or UK, what I do know is that many people have been robbed by this guys. I left the major part of my life savings in CBA or GES or …, and I hope that someone can catch the responsible and make him pay.
Please Help me. I’m counting on you to solve this problem.


I’m so glad I found this site as I would of been the next person they scammed. My partner and I had been looking at these machines for some time saving our money to purchase.
Finally now I had saved enough money and was planning to buy one for xmas.
Luckily I some how found this site and saved me alot of grief.

I’m currently looking for a working alternative to this machine.
Any help would be great?

your best solution is to go with a professional laser treatment. depending on what you need done, it might not even be more expensive and you pay per treatment, so it’s spread out in terms of payment.