“… chance that a small group of keen, kind and grateful DIYers could hire you Michael to host a small course for us?”
I could do that.
[color:#3333FF]I don’t mean to distract from your post Mike, but I just wanted to post this:
Hey all,
For anyone that doesn’t yet have any good literature, books, or DVDs on electrolysis, here is something free you can download that has a bit of good information. It’s the User’s manual to the Silhouette-Tone Sequentium 328. The back pages of the manual have some good diagrams and theory in a no-nonsense bulleted format. I guess kind of squeezed in by Silhouette-Tone in as a quick guide.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5825042/Sequentium%20328_Instructions%20Manual_ENG.pdf
I myself found it pretty useful. Just in case it disappears from Dropbox, maybe we should all have handy copies to email to future DIY visitors.
Mantaray
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I love free stuff. I would like AEA to design a complete electrology curriculum and put it on-line FREE! This would enable potential school owners, or public schools, to create an educational product. It would also help establish (but not mandate) universal standards for the industry. Indeed, I would be willing to donate my time to work on such a project with others in the field.
A few phone calls ago, I discovered that AEA is looking at ways to encourage electrology schools (and make training more available). Wouldn’t THIS be a great way to do it?
Just checked the Silhouette literature … pretty nice. I wonder if they got permission to use the illustrations from Hinkel’s book?
Thanks for the info again Mantaray,
But alas, It was I who distracted the post from the original theme of Michaels generous offer of a lawyer for YOU . Please go back to page two to read that!
Michael,
So happy you are open to this idea. I have just stepped into the DIY category so unfortunately I am not nearly as advanced as others here but instead I can think of no better way to learn than to study from the best. A phone call with you might be best to talk about details and conditions etc. Thank you.
DIYers interested in this opportunity please message me and lets see if we can work something out!
if you are doing frontal areas neck chest etc one of these works great if you have it at standing height and in good light fix it to a plank of wood and hey ho its portable too
i personally soak needles in bleach after use and then antiseptic/disinfectant never had any problem
[color:#006600]Hey All 
Hmmm… an instructional book or download put out by the AEA? Methinks they’d never do it. I think the pros wouldn’t like that. And so few DIY’ers (HA, what, 8 in the U.S.?) wouldn’t be worth the flack. But a book of standards, maybe that. What’s funny is, aren’t there states that don’t require anything but a business license? How do they learn? Must be like that Andy Warhol movie, “Bad” where the lady does electrolysis in her kitchen, and late at night to her ‘special clients’ haha. I loved that movie. Its the only movie with an electrologist.
Basically, its your book Mike all by its lonesome. If anyone wants to learn, thats where all roads lead to. And i think they should buy it. There’s a lot of little things in it that are needed knowledge. DIYing is tricky, because there are limits to what areas can be done, I don’t think many consider how it will be outrunning your focal length or working in a mirror. But, I think, what woman wouldn’t want to skip shaving her legs for the rest of her life, by just devoting a year or so to get it done?
The market potential for machines is staggering. They could make a USB-PC program that would minimize the hardware needed. The AC/DC delivery unit could be the size of a sardine can. I’m sure Aplius has something like that in the skunkworks. I think its the machine sales and prices that severly limit the DIY trend. Its tough for a non-pro to get a decent price on a quality machine.
You know where thee is a huge market for recruiting potential new electrologists? The manicuring businesses. Nail shops. Usually they do waxing too. Those girls could learn it so fast. This woman I’m seeing, like lots of southern California Vietnamese, she does nails. I’m considering getting her into that mail order course based in Columbus. I kind of want to see the materials myself, but send her off to Santa Ana. She’s picked up on it really quickly on my machine. I tell her it pays $70 an hour, she can’t believe it. That’s the market niche that would take to it. Thing is, the concept of unwanted hair is alien to most Vietnamese women. They say, “What’s Electrology?”, you say, “Removal of unwanted hair.”, they say, “What’s unwanted hair?”, you say, “nevermind…”. But anyway, that AEA approved course should send flyers to all the Southern Cal nail shops. They’d reap a harvest.
Anyway all, I’m tuckered out. I woke up at 7:30am, surfed the news on my laptop during breakfast, followed a news link down a few rabbit holes, and BAM! Got that weird trojan/virus that tells you its the FBI, takes pictures of you with your own webcam, puts your name and private info across the screen, asks for payment, and locks your computer. It is a tough multi-trojan. I could not fix it. $89 bucks and all morning wasted on the phone, really makes me not want to visit any unknown sites anymore. I don’t have time for that. My web is getting smaller.
Danika,
Q:you know what’s the difference between highway roadkill and a lawyer laying in the middle of the road?
A: The roadkill at least has swerve marks going around it.
Take Care All,
Mantaray [/color]
[color:#3333FF]Yay! Dolphinz has now joined in
Dolphins, they think they’re so special with their SeaWorld shows. Like SeaWorld would ever let us 23-foot span Mantas in their pesky little pools![/color]
MAntaray,
In a perfect world there would be no need for lawyers and all pros would be like Michael Bono. Wouldnt that be nice ?!!
Trade your computer in for a used MAc. No viruses, no lockdowns. Someone like you needs to travel down those worm holes free as a bird…er worm…you know what i mean.
IVe been trying to search courses to learn Electro so am curious what courses you were mentioning to the lucky hairless lady.
I totally agree that market potential for those machines is staggering, especially as more folks find that their money went nowhere with laser. The small machines that you describe are an idea that should be pursued with someone who understands and can make a prototype. The time is ripe for newer smaller machines that are more travel friendly. Advancements are in the air! ANd YEs most girls I know would trade the year for not having to shave again. Either that or wish for a next life as a vietnamese!
It seems that such machines already exist. Uni-Probe Lite Epilator - By Uni-Probe for $ 425.00. Just 5 lbs.
Love this thread! I’m quietly impressed with how pi was brought into the topic, too.
I wish I didn’t get rid of my leg and thigh hair so that I could have practised on myself and joined the club here. The beauty of hindsight. I’d be scared to start off practising on friends/family because scarring them is worse than scarring myself, but also, it would be good to make that mind-body connection of what I’m trying to do with my hands and the settings and how it feels in my skin to get that automatic feedback.
I’m going to grab Bono’s book and then drink in all your tips.
What do you guys do for pain relief or practising on others? I doubt that we could get EMLA for our guinea pigs here in Britain.
[color:#3366FF]You know Smurf,
I used to make a huge deal about pain. I’d go down to Mexico where they sell the Lidocaine in small amber bottles, I had every kind of Emla on the market, I experimented with that lidocaine aerosol spray Lanacaine, Bactine, all that. Alcohol, yes that too. Then I got into vicodin. Basically, that’s when I just stopped all the electroysis cold about two years ago.
Upon restarting it. I have a whole new approach. It’s called: “Don’t make a big deal out of it.” Sure enough, I use nothing now, and I’m hitting pretty hard. Pain is no longer an issue. I accept it, and just take it as part of it. I also do some hypnosis, but that’s a different story.
I look back and think, how silly to rub on emla and wait 20 minutes. Because think about it, I was focusing on pain levels.
I was bringing in to the front of my mind. Now, I put the needle in and hit the pedal. -Oh pain, yeah well, so what. Make sense? It’s kind of a weird mindset. Its like pain has to be seen as part of it. I guess like childbirth or filling out a 1040 long tax form
One thing i will say, eating good food before a treatment for some reason helps alot. It does! But when i have to watch my diet, like everyone else, I can’t go overboard with that. But its something I have noticed.
Mantaray
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ive been told i have a high pain threshold, never used painkillers ,but who knows…i just numb out to it somehow.
ps i love this thread too
Thanks for your answer. I didn’t realise there were so many drugs out there for pain relief! Here, the only thing one can get without a prescription is generic family medicine, eg. cold/flu meds, paracetamol. Nothing stronger.
It’s just that even on a single limb, there are areas which are more sensitive than and how one can never account for another’s tolerance of pain. I suppose having shorter sessions helps with others.
Smurf,
Sorry I may have sounded insensitive there , I realize that different areas must be different pain levels so perhaps ive not hit that experience yet ! One place i spoke with said for painful areas they use a local anesthetic, the same as a dr or dentist uses but applied with manajet machine to apply rather than any needles. Guess that is not anything that a DIY can get ahold of ??
No, you didn’t sound it! Everyone’s experience varies, so it’s neither here nor there to state it and pitch it as it feeds those of us who are curious.
I haven’t got a clue what a manajet machine is. I presume getting hold of local anaesthetic isn’t something a DIY’er (or professional electrologist) can easily get hold of either (even in the US?).
OK good ! I think its a type of little jet spray machine that sprays on the numbing agent and yes id say its only available to dr n dentists …;(
[color:#990000]Hey All, just some book information,
About Mike Bono’s book, I posted this in a PM, but i think it’s useful for all that want to DIY to know:
Okay with the Bono book. There’s two editions of the same book, generally refered to as “The Blend Method”:
- “Real World Electrology: The Blend Method”
ISBN: 0-9642682-0-5 367 pages, 1994 On the cover in the upper left corner, the triangle symbol is gold. That’s one telltale.
and,
- "“Real World Electrology: The Blend Method” ISBN: 0-9642682-0-5 190 pages, copyright 1994, but first printing 1995, second printing 2005, it has “New Edition…” on the cover, that’s another telltale. In the upper left corner the triangle is green.
Both books are good and have what you need. The early version is an extended version of the later version, but both books share the same ISBN number. The 367 page version has a lot on machines, infection, psychology, gender issues, lots of corallary stuff. I wholly recommend the 367 page version because it has stuff Electrologists learn in school. And, since you don’t have that benefit, it’s good to learn it in the longer version book at least. The meat and potatos of Thermolysis/Galvanic/Blend is in both. The 367 page version, of course, has more pictures.
Bono’s book is rarer than the Hinkel & Lind book, “Electrolysis, Thermolysis, and the Blend” because it has less printings and people tend to hang on to it. It’s worth the effort to find.
Hinkel’s book is ISBN: 0-9600284-1-2 Copyright 1968, Twelfth printing 2002. 312 pages. It has tons of drawings, diagrams, and some cool micrographs. This book should be on every DIYer’s bookshelf as well. Cranberry colored hardcover.
Another book is: “Electrolysis: Beauty and Confidence Through Permanent Hair Removal”, Copyright 1981, by Julius Shapiro, CRE, FESA. 186 pages, pictures and diagrams.
ISBN: 0-396-07903-2 …Given to me by Ailleen, a 1980’s electrologist.
There is another book by Gino Fior, thinner, more brief(?) but I have never looked through it. Would I buy it? Yes, you’ll learn from all these books.
Mantaray[/color]
[color:#990000]The cranberry color is a salute to Hinkel[/color]