Diary of a European guy.

Josefa unfortunately the public is very small on this forum known as Hairtell. The Pluck Police have very short arms on Hairtell. There are so many people who desperately need quality hair removal and yet still fall prey to the electrologist who dwells in filth and requires thousands of dollars up front before any work is preformed. Then to top it off that electrologist proceeds with what is known as job security in the electrology world, plucking. I think it was Rocky 3, Hulk Hogan and Mr. T were both in that movie and they were amazingly hairless. I personally think they were plucked. :slight_smile:

My skin is the way it is. I can’t help that ‘it’ makes the electrologist nervous.

I don’t think Plucking guarentees job security quite the opposite if someone had a bad reputation surely that would be spread around you will get the odd few coming through the door that haven’t heard the bad news but as soon as they cotton on they are gone. I myself fingers crossed am seeing results I still 8 months in am skepical although I admit from what I have seen and experienced I have a good electrolysis I am just always a skepical person what ever is done or said until the pesky things are gone for good. But my point is I know other women who are too nervous to allow the hairs to grow and snip them in order to attempt this treatment they are waiting to see if it work for me I have told them it can take up to 2 years but I have no doubts that if things continue to be successful they will be booking to see her too, where as if she turned out to be a plucker I would not be refering anyone to her but would be leaving negative feedback on sites where they are advertised online and many others have currently left positive feedback. Plucking to me is a high way to losing business.

When you guys say plucking, do you mean the client doing it or the electrologist?

I believe my electrologist is doing the plucking. I feel like they are yanking the hairs out.

Then they probably are!
Seana

Just tell her that you feel tweezing!

Barbara Greathouse had a great paragraph about tugging. I will try to find that.

This might be it?

And thanks, everyone, for all the useful information available here.

(long-time lurker, first-time poster)

Thank you SIGMA for your help! That is a very good link you provided. I think the quote I was looking for is not here on Hairtell, but rather is on one of the closed Facebook sites for electrologists only. I can paraphrase what she said on tugging/ tweezing/ traction though.

She said that tugging means you get a huge tent of a kin when you attempt to lift the hair out of the skin, while it is firmly anchored in the skin. That hair not been properly treated.

Traction means there might be a slight tenting of the skin, but the hair will completely extract without the force it takes to tweeze a hair.

If a client feels tugging it could mean that the Electrologist is testing the hair to see if it is “cooked” enough. It doesn’t mean that the Electrologist lifted the hair out of the follicle. First appointments can be those times when a client feels some tugging until the Electrologist can find the right setting.

So we may have tugged a few hairs, but those hairs were then given repeated zaps of current before the hair is extracted. The client does not necessarily gauge what or even WHERE the Electrologist is working.


I tell my clients, if I feel like the follicle hasn’t been treated sufficiently, they probably feel it, too. I always re-enter the follicle to deliver another dose of current when that happens.

Yes, we want all hairs to release without traction, but there are some little details that need to be explained, because we do meet with some challenging hair problems, while trying to reassure and the gain the trust of clients undoubtedly fretting about temporary skin manifestations.

I agree with Fino Gior here, “…that you should not feel ANY sensation or nothing is being accomplished…”

Josefa, a follow-up question - when you say that no sensation should be felt, this refers to when the hair is actually removed?

From the topic a few months ago on the “progressive technique” -

…tugging might occur as the electrologist is applying, and testing, successive pulses prior to the successful removal of the hair, which itself would not involve any tugging?

But as that prior post mentions, the “progressive technique” is rare indeed. Maybe the Mount Everest of electrolysis!

Kind regards.

No, it is more or less special to the “slow” techniques when it takes a few seconds to release the hair. If - on the other extreme - we work with very short pulses at fast rates of progress the treatment times are simply too short for that type of technique. Hence we need different criteria, e.g. carefully trying to take the hair out and stopping that if we feel some resistance (and then checking our needle position, giving a 2nd shot immediately or after a re-insertion). That test is mostly identical to how we are testing during a “progressive treatment” of a single hair, at least if we are working both handed like we would do in, say, blend.

Finally, I really need to get off my silly old (expanding) butt and make a film of what “progressive epilation” actually looks like (you know, me doing the work … like Jossie does). It’s just not slow, and might even add speed to overall epilation time; I think it does. I think I can beat the “flashers.” Are you ready to take the “Geezer challenge?” Tee hee …

I’ll get moving on this because “seeing is believing.” Nicht war?

Yes, of course, I mean the moment when the hair is being removed. Before that, while the application of current occurs the client should notice that something is happening, unless the area is under the effects of some type of anesthetic.

You know? even with the progressive technique in which the practitioner exerts some tension in the hair guide, there is a big difference between what the client feels while this happens and a sense of pluck.

We tend to underestimate the intelligence of the people, because they do not dare to directly question your professionalism, but in reality they are not stupid … just desperate and vulnerable.

I will dare to go beyond the Fino Gior´s statement when he says: “…that you should not feel ANY sensation or nothing is being accomplished…”. Actually, yes, something is being accomplished. An under-treated follicle tends to produce thicker hair.

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Ah, this promises to be interesting. Seeing is believing, I have never doubted your speed. You need not be very smart to check your hourly surface is similar to the surface of a flasher.

(Ummmm, so the key to see a video of yours was asking it in German language…thanks Beate :wink: )

Michael, any news on the video?

Well I do have everything I need, including my nephew’s brand new hi-def video camera … but, I need to do some tests because I want a microscopic look at the work. Also waiting for a client with super big hairs (maybe next week) … so they really show up well.

Then again … I’m pretty LAZY these days too!