Diary of a European guy.

Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
#241

Since this thread has become the great hope for many guys who want to get rid of unwanted hair, I thought that they will enjoy checking the permanence of the results almost a year after the last session.

Our goal now is to kill all the hairs that are developing on his back.

*Edit by Dee Fahey. (hope you don’t mind, Josefa). Here are the before pictures:

September/2/ 2010. Before starting Electrolysis.

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October 2010. Eighth week. 12 sessions. 13 hours.
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October 2010. Eighth week. 13 sessions. 14 hours and 26 minutes.
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#242

Clap! Clap! Clap! Clap! :grin:

#243

Great hope indeed :frowning:

Josefa, please check your mailbox when you get the chance.

#244

ole ! :whistle:

#245

Respekt.

#246

Thank you very much, Dee, you’re in all the details dear.

As I told a few days ago, these days we are working on the European guy’s back. The first time he came to me (in May or June of 2010, I can not remember), was precisely to a small area on either side of his back. I took many pictures of the back as a precautionary measure, and for monitoring new growth given the earliness with which this boy was developing hairs. Ok, as expected predictions came true, and now the area has been extended upwards almost to the shoulders, and down to near the lower back. However, almost three years later, that small area made in 2010, remains clean, except for a dozen hairs.

Note: The area of the chest, stomach, and abdomen, has not developed new hairs, as I also predicted :grin:

After 90 minutes done 24 hours before.

Just 60 minutes after:

New perspective:

#247

Why does skin turn yellowish during healing?

#248

I think that’s from betadine.

#249

Like it! :slight_smile:

#250

I want to do this SO BADLY!

#251

edited - it was about me not belivieng that the results presented here in photos are authentic - but because this is only a suposition not entirely backed up by proof, i will retire my post, and take this thread with a grain of salt - but in solitude.

#252

Do you know the laws on defamation? You can’t come into a forum with your two posts trying to accuse someone of creating a scam with ZERO EVIDENCE of your own. If you were treated by Josefa with poor outcome then you could come here and relate your experience. But to accuse her of creating some scheme to attract clients and to question her skill level without any evidence of your own is wrong. She has contributed a lot to this forum. And she has shown towns of photos from more than 2 clients. But it doesn’t matter because it’s very easy to doubt a person without evidence. You can dismiss anything with baseless doubting.

#253

Just a side remark: these two threads cover more than the two clients You mentioned. As long as there are hairs removed successfully it does not matter much if the clients showing their pictures actually were relatives. To me these pictures also show the inflammation immediately after the process, and that tells (me) something about the treatment itself. That cannot be faked.

So if You suggest a SCAM it is up to You to give us proofs instead of vague suggestions.

Remember, i know both sides of the treatment table extensively, and as a client i have had everything - great results as well as massive overtreatment with permanent scarring and 3 months of pain.
And as an Electrologist i can assure You that at least under good cirumstances and with thorough and proper work, the results of electrolysis can be really stunning, especially in body work. There are several reports from other experienced electrologists here which confirm that.

Lastly a note to the rate of 60 EUROs/hour. The way You write that You suggest this is expensive. Of course, electrolysis is not cheap. But under the cost conditions here in Europe this is a really low price - in Germany actually too low if You need to earn Your living with Electrolysis alone. That’s why the rates here in Germany range from about 70 EUR/hour to 110 EUR/hour. I actually pay 100 EUR/hour to have the rest of my face done.

#254

Ok. than i will begin with presenting my excuses, both for Mrs Josepha and you readers.

My point is not to hurt anyone on this forum, mainly because I found much advice here, and beacause I also, like many here ,have the hair problem - chest shoulders back for me.

I am decided to go for electrolysis.

My quick temper and the accuse i made is maybe a consequence of the failed tryes I had in removing these areas, have done 3 sessions with ALMA Soprano XL wich is a diode Laser, and all I could see was that from roots that had 3 folicles and 3 hairs, especially on chest and shoulders, only 1 or 2 hairs appeared,instead of 3, but all the places that had hair before, they have it now too, 3 years after…)… so i appologize again.

I don’t want to pass my bad view of things (pessimism) to other people here, but it seemed to me that this thread is “too perfect” - be it pictures, the dialogues between Mrs Reina and her CLients , very well synchronized and a little bit “artistic”…

I dont know, myself like all here seek a solution more than anything, but i dont want to be fooled around, and i thought that this “european guy” thread and that other “scandinavian guy” thread aren’t so authentic, they are a little bit … improved.

If i am the only one who thought that, my excuses again.

And , to get to the bottom of this, i will be trying electro for a period of time (don’t know if i will have the occasion for very long, because in my country, Romania, there is only 1 place that does this, they have an Apilus Pure, and since they business with electro is very weak in face of all the lasers… dont know if they will be able to keep this machine…)

BTW, for Mrs Beathe, wich I thank for the positive aproach of her reply (unlike mr fenix, but i understand his reaction too) , 1hr of treatment here in Bucharest Romania costs 25eur, wich is one of the little benefits of being a poorer country…

Why? because at 25eur/hour, it’s still wort it for the one making this, given that if she would have 3 h/day, at a 5days/week, it would still mean about 75eur x 21 ~= 1500eur, wich is a salary of a executive here (a very high one), or at least of someone wich much higher stress and tough work. the problem is that very few people here heard of this method, everyone goes to lasers, and even with that inviting prices, they still don’t get many customers - people being poorer here, and the method being not so well known.

to compare - a full chest treatment with laser here is about 150eur / session, but im not sure that the laser is a "gentle LASE " that everyone talks about on this forum… it many cases it’s IPL light, but there are few YAG lasers also, wich charge a little extra.

On the other hand, the electrolysis machine is an Apilus Pure, wich i see is used by many skilled electros here, so that is really a plus. I know, not a Platinum, a Pure, with no synchro mode (Ive done my reading of this forum thankyou Mrs Dee Fahey for the info) - but it’s stil a Apilus wich is v good.

thank you and I will come back , for the moments im just not very positive that this treatment will have any results, although im tring to encourage myself with threads like this one… but still cant overcome the thought that many of theese are fakes or “tuned up” pictures.

Thank you.

#255

hairyeuropeanguy, you can add “My sister’s electrolysis diary” which is linked in my signature to your now edited diatribe.

Yes, the results here seem ‘too perfect’. They are. Josefa is one of the few, rare electrologists who do deliver a perfect or near perfect treatment. Don’t get fooled into thinking this is a ‘normal’ electrolysis treatment.

I don’t want to offend any esteemed, hardworking electrologist who are delivering good results in a decent time frame.

I hope the electrolysis you try yields some results but the fact of the matter is, it may not. There is a reason why boy1989, myself, my sister and countless others made the trip to Spain for her treatment. The reason is the lack of such electrolysis treatment in our home countries.

The ‘sample test’ clearance is the best way to test the effectiveness of an electrologist and can save you a lot of time and money in the long run.

One of the great privileges in my life is knowing Josefa.

[All Josefa’s clients reading this would be having a good laugh - there are many reading these forums you will never even hear about because they don’t post. I should know, I helped many of them make the initial trip after my own experience.]

#256

Another reason why the pictures look so amazing is because with this strategy the clients have to let the hair grow out for months and months for the most effective clearance(virgin hairs etc). So the client has to make sacrifices to walk around with the unwanted hair for some time, but the reward is huge as you can see.

#257

This is the original post written by Hairyeuropeanguy.

#258

Yes, I know that some users are more useful than others.

But, in case I will have ANY results, I will post the pictures, because I don’t want that my only contribution for this site is this (begining now to think) ugly and unfounded hunch, that these pictures are not 100% real…

So I Will try to have a separate contribution (in a separate thread) but for now, i will retire.

Yes, I know that the mark is set high by the photos here, and I can see what you Imply, that not everyone (probably not my electrologyst in any case) will have the fast and good results of Mrs Reina - although also working on a Apilus , but Pure - and this can be very true.

I do not mind if the forum administrators choose to delete this post, and especialy the one that questions the veridicity of the photos, and the unfounded Scam accuse, because i bring no much help to those in need of treatment.

On the other hand - this thread really gives them hope, and also a few tips that they can try etc.

Ok, sorry for you all and expecially Mrs Reina, and I will only come back on a separate thread, with my journal, in case I will see any results at more than 3 months after the first treatment.

#259

I don’t know if you will read this hairyeuropeanguy but I hope you do.

Even though I am extremely offended by what you said about Josefa, we are nevertheless here to help people.

So I would suggest that you spend as much time as you can reading as many threads in the electrolysis forum as possible to educate yourself. When you do start reading, you will find that although the Apilus Pure is a great tool what matters THE MOST is the electrologist and his/her skill with their chosen tools. This comes down to understanding hair growth and then making accurate (safe) insertions+treatment that mean the follicle is killed.

I had moderately successful treatment in the U.K. - the reason is was no where near as successful as what Josefa does is because the electrologists were not completely rendering follicles dead with their treatment. This is the big issue.

To save you time and money to test the electrologist’s work, you can consider getting the electrologist to completely clear all the hairs in a discrete area of your body. Say an area 2" x 2". The area should not have been tampered with for the past 6 months or more. Then wait 3 months. The results after 3 months will give you an indication of the effectiveness of the electrologist’s work. You can then go ahead and proceed by any strategy you and your electrologist think is best to get the results you want. Perhaps this will be removing the larger hairs first and evenly to give a natural progression in the reduction of hair. But the fact you did the test first, gives you an idea if the work is actually effective in killing follicles or not.

#260

Absolutely, been reading this thread from yesterday.

I understand that you trust in her. you are one of the many who do.

I also sincerely belive that she is amongst the best here, and I know she exists. I just assumed that, in order to make things a little bit interesting, she “enhanceed” a little bit the “diary of a scandinavian guy” - my reasons are pure logical deductions and you will find them on that thread easely.

thnak you for the recomandation, i am daoing at the moment a patch of 10x10 cm as a test, and i will see in late september if it held any result. if it did, i will post it gladly.

Belive me, even if I am the black sheep of the forum in these moments, a family sometimes needs a black sheep, and i really apreciate what sicere members of this forum have done to boost up morale and knoledge for the ones in need.

Thankyou