Looks beautiful 
Perfect work Josefa, taking my hat off with respect!
Oh how I wish I would have so much hair 
Lucky guy
Temporary side effect are ok, they need to be there - Im maybe a little bit strange, but I like to see them, the treatment looks somehow more effective 
Wow, just wow!
Yup, this is how it goes. Hair is a tough enemy and you have to punch it. Temporary side effects are unavoidable if you want a lot punched at the same time. This is what you need to expect. The goal is to get the hair off fast. If people want to go slower, then fine, marathon sessions donāt have to be done. Most people want to fly when they are five thousands miles away from home as opposed to crawling.
Fantastic work Josefa!!
Looking at the before picture is like looking at a completely different person.
Temporary side effects are a tiny price to pay for such AMAZING results!
A new perspective.
Yes Boy, you could say he looks like a different person, but in reality he is the same handsome boy, about to turn 22. My God, how time flies!
That made me laugh as much as when you mentioned the metro ticket & I the Hitler moustache.
Bono and Josefa - the two of you have done more as electrologists and pushed the other electrologists to dispel the myths about post-treatment reactions. When I first joined here, I rarely saw anything other than āoh, youāll get a pinprick scabbing and very temporary redness, but scabbing not really normal!ā Whilst many of them rally against the laser industry for their myths, I think theyāve been victim to the same mentality. I donāt mean to disrespect anyone here, but itās truly a shame. Maybe if people thought along the lines of getting a nettle rash, bee stings, etc and all the reactions they expect from that and realised that heat is just as much an irritant as those and thus causes the immune system to react in exactly the same way - burning sensations, week-long scabbing, inflammation, redness, swelling - people wouldnāt be in such a panic.
Josefa - the guy is looking good. I have to admit, even with contact lenses, I could not see any hair to remove in the first picture!!
Would you care to explain this statement further, smurf?
I think there is a huge difference between, for example:
Doing 1 hour the face, spread out work, with an electrologist who has a high amount of true regrowth due to very conservative treatment i.e. the work my sister and I had in London. Possibly due to the fact that they do not want to scare clients with reactions that allow others to know that they are having something done.
And doing 6 hours on the face, to clear very dense areas (and treating both anagen and telogen), with an electrologist who wishes to achieve close to zero true regrowth for the client and the resulting treatment levels.
Iāve been thinking about discussing this in a bit more detail in my sisterās electrolysis diary since Iāve just experienced the latter and can now make a comparison.
It is possible to do the later without thousands of scabs dotting the face. The bigger side effect is swelling for 1-3 days. I have done the six hour route and for most people, swelling is the side effect - not scabbing. James has the same outcome. If the plan were thinning or scattering, the same outcome would occur for most clients, none to a few pinpoint scabs, but there would be less swelling. Choose to believe or not believe. I canāt say it any plainer. The result is still permanent hair removal on a timeframe we reference here repeatedly.
Need I emphasize that we are talking about facial elecrolysis? Body work is different as far as scabbing goes. Scabbing is highly probable and acceptable on body areas.
I suppose all electrologists want to avoid scabbing on the face or body. At least this is my case too, however, if I have to choose between producing small scabs to get the best possible results or preventing crusting and increase the degree of true regrowth, Iām sorry, but then you should find another practitioner who I am not. I am well aware of the seriousness with which we must work in the face and neck of a customer and Iām sure few students who start at this, are more cautious than I am after 30 years of experience. Working in a lip or chin gives me a terrible fright yet.
Iām open to any suggestions to help prevent side effects such as edema, redness, itching or scabbing, so finding the Laurier probe or a Flash system able to coagulate in a split second without dissecating the follicle as the Platinum one, it has been very important to me and my clients. Despite this, sometimes scabs appear and sometimes not.
I would like to survey all the people who are thinking about starting an electrolysis treatment, especially those who have been disappointed with a laser treatment, if you have to choose, what do you prefer?
Hi Josefa
Im allready little longer having electrolysis, but I would like to answer that question too.
For me personally is the most important thing the true regrowth - it has to be minimal possible. A small trade off for it are the side effects like redness, itching and small scabs on the face/neck, allso bigger ones on the body are needed to achieve desired permanent results and minimalize the true regrowth.
Or do you think it is better doing a painfree and side-effects free treatment, that will result in hair growing back in a few weeks after each clearance. Everyone has to decide for himself.
I would like to answer this question as well.
I have been wearing a scarf for 3 months before starting my first electrolysis treatment in order to maximize the amount of hairs that can be removed.
The answer is very clear to me. I would DEFINITELY choose 1 week of side effects like scabs, redness and itching than more true regrowth, which would result in more scarf-wearing.
Side effects are a tiny, tiny, tiny price to pay for minimizing the true regrowth.
Hats off to you Josefa Iām definitely not a sycophant but I totally agree.
Dee if you truly can perform effective treatment without a little scabbing then hats off to you too because I believe you must be one of the only ones who can. When I was having my own treatment I did end up with some scabbing here and there, it wasnāt every follicle or even close but there was some. For me it was acceptable because I knew I was in good hands and receiving excellent treatment. Needless to say my beard has gone and there is No scarring. The trick is whatever happens donāt pick at it. Donāt panic if you do see small scabs and if they are unacceptable youāll either have to put up with some true re-growth or get yourself over to Dee.
Hello everyone.
I have read most parts of this thread and the scabbing discussion has caught my eye.
I have had extensive amounts of electrolysis (80-90 hours overall, probably). I started out with a phenomenal amount of hair - the equivalent of a young manās beard (see original pictures from 2 years ago here: 23-year-old woman hairy http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/67893/Pictures_23_year_female.html#Post67893)
My sessions used to be marathon sessions (6 hours, 7 hours, maybe even 8 hours of electrolysis - almost always thermolysis). Other than the very first session (where we had to remove curvy, deep, banana-shaped hairs), the main side-effect I have is swelling and tenderness (I call it the chipmunk look).
Having said that, I think the technique (insertions, probes, finding the right energy, treatment modality for the skin type, etc) is probably the difference.
When I was in New Jersey (where I could NOT find a steady electrologist to handle the amount of hairs that I had), I would sometimes have 30 minutes of electrolysis (blend, mind you!) on my face and develop scabs. Whereas when I started seeing other electrologists (Dee has been my electrologist for 18 months and I had a few sessions with James in 2009), it was not normal to have a lot of scabs. And they use thermolysis (pico, I believe is what Dee usually uses on my face).
The one time I did develop visible scabs was when we worked right on the sides of my lips (an area where there is a lot of potential bacteria because of food). And I was so surprised that scabs developed that I actually took a picture and emailed it to her - so strange was the occurrence of the scabs! But out of the dozens and dozens of sessions Iāve had (most lasting about 3-5 hours or so), this was the first time someone at work could actually see that something was happening with my skin.
Other than that, scabs have most certainly not been the norm for me.
If I have the electrolysis work done mid-week, as I have done in the past, I go to work the next day.
The only other time a co-worker could notice that I had something done on my face was when I (foolishly) used up a whole teaspoon of tea tree oil on my chin and dried out the skin incredibly. 
Iām glad that beautiful brown skin is being treated by the best hands, Orangecode. I can see (like through a crystal ball) the brightness and softness of your face and neck when at last, the nightmare of your hairs is gone. Your life will change radically, believe me.
Yes, I, too am very glad for the gifted hands!
Even though I am not yet done with my face, electrolysis has already changed my life so much.
These days I can wear my hair up. An updo! Can you believe it? Itās amazing! No more covering my mouth with my hands. 
Thank you for posting, orange code. You have been a delightfully compliant client. Your case rates high as one of my most challenging face cases. We are almost āhomeā my friend.
If others want to believe that scabbing is a trade off for a more effective treatment that results in less true regrowth, they can certainly choose to do so. I donāt accept that statement and I have many finished cases under my belt to prove that scabbing is not necessary for success, in an acceptable time frame.
Again, temporary side effects of good electrolysis care include redness/pinkness that lasts minutes to hours to a day?, swelling to a minimal degree or a maximum degree that lasts a couple hours to one to three days, depending on the density and structure of hair being treated. Lastly, minimal to no scabbing. If there are pinpoint size scabs here and there, I tell my clients not to freak out, do not pick them and let me know about them per e-mail or at the next appointment. They all get finished in 9-18 months. Sometimes, for severe cases like orangecode, it can be 2 years. Didnāt we have a gap or two in this time frame that was related to your job, orangecode?
It takes planning, observation and devotion to every single insertion made to achieve a no scabbing or minimal scabbing scenario. For orange code, I found energy levels that would release the hair in ONE PULSE. Occasionally, a second pulse was needed. All work was done with the Apilus Platinum using thermolysis - PicoFlash thermolysis, to be specific.
No one has to trade efficacy for scabs. Trade off? What is all this talk of ātrade offsā in relation to true regrowth? Follizap, you have the Apilus Platinum and you pmād me for some advice on no scabbing. I shared what I know with you. How are things working out for you?
I have not been of a certain mindset to ask my clients to post here about their facial electrolysis healing scenario, so as not to appear like King Kong thumping my chest, but will now be asking them to post their testimonials to further the love of the sharing experience.
Again, we are talking about [color:#CC33CC]FACIAL ELECTROLYSIS OUTCOME[/color]. Body work equals scabbing, but I will gleefully admit that there have been numerous cases where there was no scabbing for body areas either. Itās all about skill, what the client does after they leave the office and good equipment Ah! Another chance to thank Dectro International for supplying the electrology profession with the Apilus Platinum! Merci!
Hey! One more thing! James Walker, wherever you are in the USA, what is the scabbing situation like for your transwomen and cross dressers after you work all day long, for three consecutive days in a row?
There are some aspects of your comment, Dee, I would like to clarify. I hope to do as I find a little time.
First, I never pursued the self-promotion, really I do not need. The lack of professionals in my country is so great that people do not have much choice and they must wait their turn to be served by a professional who does not have the ability to work without causing scabs. However, yes, I have asked my customers to talk honestly about their experience with the needle Laurier, if they have experienced any difference. It may seem silly, but like you, I love sharing things with my colleagues, especially if they are good things.
I started electrolysis in June 2010 for my face, upper lip, chin, neck and cheeks. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel even though I had a small setback recently when I stopped birth control pills and have had a resurgence of new hairs on my cheeks. This too shall pass!! My electrolysist will knock out the new hairs and I will be back on track.
When I started electrolysis, my skin was a mess. I have rosacea and poor skin due to years of shaving. I did alot of research prior to beginning electrolysis and I was prepared for scabbing, redness and swelling. However, I have never had any scabbing at all!! NONE!! I thought for sure I would have scabbing due to the poor condition of my skinā¦but I did not!! I was so happy to be hair free and have good skin. My skin is so much better now since I donāt have to shave!! I do have redness when I leave but it is usually all gone within 2 hours after my appointment. I even went to a client for work after an appointment and they asked me āYou look differentā¦did you lose some weightā I would do electrolysis every day if I could get compliments like that!
Yes, I, too am very glad for the gifted hands!
Even though I am not yet done with my face, electrolysis has already changed my life so much.
These days I can wear my hair up. An updo! Can you believe it? Itās amazing! No more covering my mouth with my hands. [/quote]
Yes, I can believe it. Youāll still put your hand to cover your mouth for some time, because this has become a habit which gradually disappear. Some days you will wake up thinking that the hairs are still there, but this will only be a nightmare which will vanish with the passage of time.
These are common symptoms in all people who have suffered from excess hair and have been fortunate to know the results of Electrolysis. The Electrolysis is a miracle that happens every day in the world.