decolletage area?

Laser is fine for what it does, as long as we are honest about its limitations. The problem is, practitioners routinely overstate what laser is likely to do while understating its limitations and this is most true of the people that do laser and only laser, and, at least in my area, particularly of the chain laser places that exist only to sell you a contract/package/whatever. They will tell you anything you want to hear to get you to commit to spending thousands of dollars before you ever see any results.

Part of this is, because laser is unlicensed where I’m at and the people working at those chain places have very little training so, despite being “experts,” they don’t know anything more than consumers… and part of it, is because those places exist to sell those contracts. They need to, in order to afford their fancy spa storefronts in expensive strip malls.

People don’t get told that laser can cause hair growth instead of removing it… and you’ve stated yourself that you don’t think it really happens because your goal is to defend laser because you feel it is being unfairly maligned by electrologists that aren’t impartial.

The reality is, most electrologists that take our business seriously would be happy if laser worked the way the hype says. I’d love if I could tell my clients they could be hairless in 6-12 months in as little as 15 minutes per month… but that doesn’t happen. Sure, as Michael pointed out, largely our experience with clients that have had laser are with the people where laser didn’t work as well as they expected and we aren’t seeing the success cases… but those are the exact people that you aren’t seeing because their experience doesn’t match yours. By far, the worst part, is having to deal with the trust issues because these people were lied to and I need them to trust me, because they aren’t going to see the results that they were hoping for before they started laser until we’re well into treatment. I’ve had people come into my office and cry because of their previous laser treatment (and then some cry again when we’re all done).

When I have a consult with someone that is just thinking about getting hair removed and is trying to learn more before making a decision, we talk about the benefits and drawbacks of both laser and electrolysis, I do 10-15 minutes worth of work for free on them and then I refer them to one of the two laser places in town that I know of that don’t lie. I found these places on my own and I don’t get paid for those referrals, but I give them out because I’m honest and I love having informed consumers. 90% of these people still end up wanting me to work on them after they’ve done their homework.

Facts without any comment … just the facts:

Since I’ve been doing electrolysis here in Santa Barbara, several physicians put laser hair removal in their practices. Within five years all of them no longer did it. Also, two “chains” opened here … both are out of business and gone (one with all their clients money).

The reader is allowed to make his or her own conclusions. I have ZERO interest in saying anything pro or con about laser, because I don’t care. I know electrolysis and that’s what I talk about.

There is a nautical term for all this type of conversation … dare I say it?

And that makes her someone more honest and reliable than one that does all the work with electrolysis?. Is that what you’re saying? Do you know how my concept of honesty is? one that guarantees the best results in the shortest time and at the lowest possible cost. And better, if the treatments are painless.

Just I describe exactly what Michael Bono offers to his customers, and what he has been advocating for over 30 years.

As for me, I’m sorry, I will not say that electrolysis takes too long and is too expensive and painful, because I do not think so, and most of my clients either. If this mean to you to be dishonest, I am.

Just add my apologies to the author of this thread, and wish him or her the best luck with laser treatment.

I’m not disparaging this conversation so PLEASE take no offense (as I’m sometimes accused of being, well, offensive). However, in "nautical terms,’ this is "pissing in the wind!’ I mean, personal experiences … including mine … are just about worthless (and I have 40-years of "experiences’).

(Without going into extreme detail, let me only state that what Jossie is doing is virtually another form of hair removal … think, "21st Century Electrology on STEROIDS!’ Jossie is breathtakingly humble and never "beats her own drum.’ Instead, she is our most precious ambassador of electrology.)

Having said that … here’s what I mean: the ONLY thing that matters is THE MARKETPLACE!

Whether you live in a capitalist or communist system … people eventually GET WHAT THEY WANT! Thus, the "market’ takes care of everything … but it takes time! LOTS of time!

Let me give you a couple examples. In the 1920s, X-Ray hair removal was the "rage.’ It was painless and worked beautifully. Yes, even Henri St. Pierre (inventor of the blend) dabbled in X-Ray. This technology was used until 1956. It took THAT LONG for the public (and agencies) to realize this was not such a good idea. Virtually everyone that had X-Ray hair removal died from cancer (typically thyroid).

In 1975, the "Electronic Tweezers’ were invented and this was a 100% HOAX. (I’m going to do a video on this … it’s a long painful story). This "crap technology’ was used right up until today (although no longer "main stream’). People spent millions. So, it’s been 40-years and, finally, the market understands that this process is a fraud. (But it is still with us, and scamming the "suckers’.)

Within the Electrology Field, we have different "camps’ that fight their useless fights about which method is better. We have DC-uses that claim Thermolysis ruins your skin. We have Thermolysis users that claim DC ruins your skin. I have an "idiot’ in my neighborhood who says, "The blend ‘hurts like HELL’.’ (She also thinks she invented “thermolysis.”) I’ve finally lost patience with this nonsense … They’re all a bunch of stupid bitches (and that’s as nicely put as I dare say).

My point is that eventually, and it will take at least another 15 years, for the marketplace to decide what it wants. Arguing about this-or-that or offering "personal experiences’ means nothing. It’s like "pissing in the wind’ … Technology changes and improves rapidly … and eventually the public finds out.

Well, you DID ask "what’s in my heart?’ So, there it is!

More …

I don’t like LASER either! From a client’s point of view … hair removal should be totally painless and take almost no time at all … and be completely guaranteed.

That’s the point from which I start.

I’ve had laser and it was painful. The technician said, “It feels like a rubber band.” She didn’t tell me she was going to pull it from GERMANY! JESUS! I’ve had electrolysis and it was painful (but not with local anesthetic … )

Hello Michael,

I have always believed that it is not the type of modality used, rather the skill level of the practitioner. If, I’m not mistaken you TTT, is comparable to Gior Fino. Blend vs thermolysis.

Everyone, is entitled to an opinion and I have to disagree with your statement on your personal experience being worthless, that could not be further from the truth. What prompted me to contribute to this forum, was to just pay it forward, as I have gain so much from your contribution and others as well.

Needless to say I never expected to cause such an up roar. I was not sure, what the original poster thought of the thread, and really just wanted to give her an objective response to the question. It’s important to remember that one someone posts a question on this forum, the individual is really only seeking a straight forward answer and not a heated debate on personal views. I am a firm believer that within a debate can come a greater understanding of matters, but it’s important to always address other’s with a respectful tone.

Okay, now that thats out of the way, would you kindly explain your statement “21st Century Electrolysis on STEROIDS” It’s my understanding, that Josefa uses insulated probes with a modern epilator and if speed, is not an issue, please explain……what technique sets you both apart from one another?

Incidentally, if Josefa comes across this post, I sent you an email earlier this evening. I value your input, and would appreciate a response, if it’s not to much to ask.

Thank you!

No, Gigi, Michael is not talking about using a particular type of needle or modern machine. He talks about strategy and treatment of each full follicle at once. But surely, he can explain it better.

(I can not find your email, where you sent it?)

I sent you an email Nov19th, to j.maciasreina@hotmail.com with subject: Un gran saludo a su trabajo!

An another one to: ded_elite@hotmail.com with subject: Seeking Advice!

I can resubmit, if you wish. I just need to know what email to address it to?

Thank you,

GiGi …

I was talking about experiences being "worthless’ as far as the MARKETPLACE. People don’t want what’s "good for them’ … they "want what they WANT!’

For example, I have never eaten at MacDonald’s or shopped at Walmart; and I could give you a hundred good reasons why. But WOW am I in the minority!

From 1975 until the present day, I’ve been a strong advocate against "electronic tweezer’ devices (I even worked "under cover’ for the State to "bust them’). However, no matter what I said … and showed scientific proof … and letters from physicists and physicians … PEOPLE KEPT BUYING THE DEVICES and kept getting ripped off. These devices made millions of dollars and clients (and therapists) got NOTHING!

Overall, I do not see the majority of people (anywhere) responding with reason … usually emotion rules their thoughts. And, it’s getting worse! Much worse!

I received a really long list of questions today … from a Youtuber … but I can’t figure out how to answer her (I will ask Eric. It’s in my email … but not on my Youtube channel). But all her questions wanted specific answers to questions that require judgement based on years of doing electrology e.g., "can I clear off my whole face at one time?’

Re: "My Jossie’ … If just using a certain needle … or a certain machine … would be the "golden answer,’ then the search would be easy. But it’s NOT!

Appreciate the comments all!

So i guess electrolysis it is then…

My electrologist does provide laser aswell, but when i asked about it she was not too enthusiastic about it. She said that the results of it are not as one would expect, and that it’s too much to take into consideration before opting for it. Although i seem like a good candidate bcuz of my light skin and dark hair, it can be very sensitive because of my background (indian)…and she said that some of the clients even experienced it becoming worse!
Or that some clients who had laser done before (from elsewhere) and were not happy with the results, so then they went to her to get electrolysis instead…

I’m just so anxious about how long this will take though… and how much money!! I mean if i now start the birth control, and keep going for treatments… then i stop the pills, will the hair be back?! the money wasted?
Anyone know how it works?

A properly removed hair with electrolysis never ever come back. If you choose a good practitioner, electrolysis does worth it because it is the only method which can garantee permanent hair removal : the hair is removed forever.

But, I speak only about practicionner who knows what they are doing. I mean, a professional electrologist who knows how to properly remove hair.

If you don’t know your practicionner, you can ask a very simple test : doing a session of electrolysis in an area where didn’t shave or tweeze the last 6 mouths, for exemple the arm.
After this test session on a little area, you will wait 6-8 weeks. You should see at least 70% of reduction. This test will show the capacities of your practicionner.

Personally, I will do that.

The pill can cause hair becomes invisible (temporarily) and therefore your electrologist may be missing many follicles. These intact follicles are likely to produce a similar or thicker hair when you decide to stop taking it. The result is perhaps not the one you’re looking for, that is, 100% hairfree, but a reduction in hair density (less hairs per cm2).

Adrien has given you excellent advice, test the effectiveness of your electrologist, assessing the percentage of regrowth. Looking at the surface/time that can be made during this test. This data can help you calculate the total cost of treatment.

I am not offended by your posts. You’re on your legitimate right to express what you think, and that’s fine.