Considering DIY / Buddy System

Ok, I feel like kind of an idiot writing a post about DIY electrolysis in a forum that is called the same because that is just redundant. I am in the process of giving DIY electrolysis a shot with a professional unit. It is an attractive option for me since I am transgender and outside of having my face treated by someone else am interested in my legs, feet, hands, and stomach. Spending $50,000 or more to have all of these areas treated seems a bit dumb to me in comparison to the cost of a good machine and even getting the necessary training, especially if I can find someone else locally that I trust who is willing to do the same to do the areas I can’t reach and vice versa.

Currently I have acquired two books the first is the classic “Electrolysis, Thermolysis, and Blend” by Hinkel and Lind (1994 print), The second one is “The Principles and Practice of Electrical Epilation” by Sheila Godfrey. At the moment I’ve read through the most interesting chapters but plan to read both beginning to end a few times. I have some background in electronics communications working with emergency radio systems so I probably have a better understanding of high frequency electromagnetic radiation than the average electrolysis. Since this also involved repairing 100 watt 900 mhz radios while they were live there was some training involved of what happens to the body when it comes into contact, or close proximity to that level of radiation. I feel I have a fair respect for how much damage even the relatively low power of an electrolysis machine can do (and a good visualization of a friend of mine who now has a face that looks like a golf ball because she went to someone who didn’t know what they were doing). Later I moved out of the field and into a prototyping lab where I frequently soldered micro circuitry with tiny wires about .001" to .004" in diameter sometimes with a magnification device, sometimes without so I’m confident I have the ability to learn the skills needed as well.

The order of events I had in mind was:

1: Acquire reading material
2: Acquire video training materials
3: Start researching options for professional training
4: Acquire unit, preferably microprocessor controlled with the ability to do blend.
5: Practice insertions without powering the probe/needle
6: Get a feel for the settings by practicing on an analog such as meat (see reference materials) I have access to a very high end microscope with up to 800x magnification and measuring ability for examination of the specimens, I do understand that meat doesn’t perfectly replicate the skin and folical but it’s better to practice on that rather than myself or someone else
7: Attend training courses if possible
8: Try an area on my self in an area not very visible to the public

Does this seem reasonable? How do I find a training establishment near by? What can I expect for training costs? If professional training turns out to be impractical for my location does the order of events make sense? My friends think I’m crazy for making an attempt at this, which is laughable since one of them went to a south american country in the middle of a civil uprising to have 25,000 worth of facial surgery performed and just about all of them are planning on going to Thailand to have GRS in the next year. In my book anyone undergoing medical treatment for gender dysphoria has signed up for a whole lot of risk, the least of which is screwing up your skin.

All feedback is welcome.

Your idea makes total sense! Go for it ! You sound well-prepared! If i lived in your area I would be fully prepared to be your buddy and work together!

Hi CafeBikeGirl,

If you let us know what city/state/country you are in, we can suggest a location for you to learn the trade. Reading is just a small part of the education; mostly focused on skill development.

Good luck.

Well I guess I’m committed now, I just lucked out and purchased a Sequentium VMC. Same unit my current electrolysist uses (when in doubt use her settings. haha. j/k

Anyways I’m located in central South Carolina. I’m definitely far more concerned about the skill required than the knowledge. The books don’t seem to go much into how about to develop those skills other than providing some illustrations of what various settings should look like in egg or meat, and basic methodologies for establishing machine settings for new areas or new conditions of the same area.

That is because there are some things that are really hard to describe verbally, whereas hands on teaching works better.

If you were with me, I would have you do some insertions on your leg to get feedback for what it feels like for both the patient and the practitioner.

Also, be careful with the auto sensor on the VMC. It does not have an abort feature, once it is triggered, it will launch no matter if you break contact or not.

Hi CafeBikeGirl.

That’s quite a screen name! I love it!

I still own the Silhouet-Tone VMC. This is one hell of a good epilator. Very comfortable and easy to use. The current is modulated inside the needle holder, so replacing the needle holder will set you back more so than if you had to purchase other brand needle holders. James makes a good point about the the automatic sensor, so do be careful.

Doing insertions can be awkward at first, like anything else, but if you do 10,000 insertions, you should have a good feel for this in no time. Perfect insertions into the tiny hair follicle is the core of doing electrolysis. Maybe your electrologist will give you some hints.

I am also considering doing diy electrolysis myself as well as going to a professional. So I am really curious as to how things go for you, hopefully we can see some updates later.

I really like the sound of a diy budding system, if only there were someone in my area like this that would be awesome.

Thanks James and Dfahey for the feedback. The machine was actually sold with a backup needle holder. From an electronics standpoint it does make sense to do it that way. High frequency signals do not like being transmitted through thin wires, because of a phenomenon called the skin effect (completely unrelated to electrolysis) the signal likes to stay on the outside of the conductor and therefore there is less loss when something like a hollow tube is used instead. Unfortunately a hollow tube is not small or flexible so the solutions are to overpower the machine, deal with the loss, or move it closer to it’s final destination to reduce or completely eliminate the losses. It’s actually a good design and one of many reasons why I was interested in this specific machine.

For me the biggest flaw in the buddy system is that I am going to have a hard time finding someone who is capable of self teaching themselves at a level I will feel safe with.

Over the past few days I have looked at some of the schools and decided it’s not worth my time. It seems like 80% or more of the training is aimed specifically at the business owner and covering state regulations for disease control. Any location near me is an unaccredited cosmetology school that has very low acceptance standards and boasts very high pass rates on exams. If 100% of your students pass the written exam and 92% pass the practical that tells me they are just pulling you along for the cash and are not doing anything to weed out people who would be unsafe practitioners.

While waiting for proper needles to arrive I decided to tinker with a sewing needle last night. I grabbed the smallest one I had (still insanely huge at .013" diameter) and blunted the top a little with a piece of 1200 grit sandpaper. Sterilized it just to be safe and gently probed my skin near a few follicles. I did notice when I got close to the hair it seemed to guide itself closer and settle into what felt like a recessed area. Am I right in assuming that is the area the needle would need to be inserted?

Thanks for the pointers everyone.

We are inserting into a recessed space in the skin. So, yes, if you get it right, it is all a matter of following the path down to the bottom of the follicle, correcting for any errors in angle of insertion and stopping before you pierce the bottom, or the sides. (That is unless you are doing a certain method that actually calls for breaking the walls.

Which method has you “break the walls”?. I’ve never heard of it.

…and I won’t be describing any of them here!

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*I’m thinking that James is referring to the Kobayashi-Yamada method perhaps?

I have heard stories of one well known practitioner purposely puncturing the hair follicle from the left angle then the right angle and then down the middle. Ike’s! Results were very good though.

I also checked out schools and came to the exact same conclusion! That was perfectly described , thank you! I also bought a machine, but have had zero time to begin. I also relate to your concerns about the buddy being up to your expert standards , but surely we can not consider ourselves the only skilled ones! Slowly the trust is earned. Please keep us posted of progress , and what you learn along the way, I ,for one am very interested.

Kobayashi-Yamada… Isn’t that a no win scenario for the hair where it faces 3 electrolysis needles in the neutral zone and fights to the death?

Lol, about the only thing I consider myself an expert at is performing helium mass spectrometry on metal seals. Anyone I currently trust to have a high enough attention to detail won’t see any electrologist that doesn’t have all the up to date credentials AND who has a strong reputation in the transgender community.

Correct me if I am mistaken, isn’t it beneficial to zap opposite sides of the follicle when treating thick or curly hairs because it is difficult to get the entire follicle?

That’s like asking a question about the use of garlic or onion in on culinary discussion board. A great way to start arguments, but everyone is right, while everyone is wrong.

My personal secret sauce would eschew the opposite sides protocol. Others swear by it. Others use it when the situation seems right to them.

Whoops, there was suppose to be a with thermolysis in there somewhere, late night post. I believe “the book” says to treat it once and hope to get it early in the regrowth cycle if it comes back. I believe this is why my electrologist has been doing on my face and neck.

The overwhelming majority of the work that I do in the various forms of thermolysis that I use is done with one pulse in one insertion and on to the next hair. …but that’s just me.

CafeBikeGirl: keep in mind that the one pulse - one insertion is ideal when a noninsulated needle is being used. If you are using an insulated needle, then yes, releasing energy in different parts of the follicle is best. Although this is not a teaching site, we don’t want you folks to hurt yourselves. It is strongly suggested to visit a school for hands on assistance.

Cafebikegirl,
I dont think you’ll have trouble finding a partner dedicated enough, especially if you are in regular contact with other transgirls. It’s amazing to me the sheer number of us that find ourselves looking at the the DIY boards, despite all the warnings from others not to do it. A look at the number of openly trans members I’ve seen discussing DIY here is extremely disproportionate to how common we are in everyday life.
I have a question though about your comments regarding meat…I understand the egg whites for testing a machine, but what is to be accomplished by stabbing a pice of meat with it? here’s no folicle to test your insertion skills on, and meat would present the same issue there is whith your face, that being you cant really see the results. What exactly is accomplished by using your machine on meat?

Seana

You are correct, while the test in the egg you can see the heating pattern which is produced using HF, with the meat will be very difficult to see what is happening inside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZcgNPOhq8&feature=youtu.be