Avoiding pitting - facial hair removal

Hi everyone. First post here.

My question is about the balance between scarring and pitting and having enuff juice to kill the hair. I have the remnants of terminal hairs on my face from being trans. I would be ok with all the hairs that are left if they were all light and veilous (sp?). Basically so that i didn’t have to shave and my face won’t feel stubbley and the hairs will look wispy instead of brissely. So can you get this with a lower setting or is it better to go for the kill? And is it even related to pitting or does that just come from the electrologist not being careful?

Basically what i’m asking is if I tell an electrologist to turn down the power, can I lower risk of scars but still be making progress? Can electro turn a terminal hair into a veilous one? Or only kill it or not kill it?

Thanks.

Hi, clparker, I just signed up to HairTell specifically to answer your question. I hope you are flattered. :slight_smile: I was looking up some electrology information when I came upon this page and your topic caught my attention. I am an electrologist so hopefully I can answer your questions. I don’t know you or even know what state you are in so everything I say I do with complete belief in what I say and with no gains to myself. First and most importantly, are you saying your electrologist is causing permanant pitting or scarring? If so, find another electrologist now. I understand that being transgender you obviously had a lot of facial hair so maybe, and I mean maybe one or two little permanant marks is acceptable, though I’m not even convinced of that. That being said, I must say that I have only had my license for a couple years, but live in a state the requires 1100 hours of training. Did you know in some states you do not even need a license to be an electrologist? It’s important to check into the education your electrologist had if you live in such a state. I should also say that I, in no way claim to be an expert on working with people in transition. I have only worked on a handful or two of such folks though have worked on plety of people. It was my experience that due to the large bulbs that you are going to get from such coarse facial hairs it was not at all uncommon to have the bulb break through the skin and therefore tear the skin to some degree and possibly even bleed. ALL OF THIS SHOULD GO AWAY. When I was working on transgendered individuals I was in school, so I would often see the people about a week later and any problems that had occured with the skin were no longer noticable. So, to get back to your questions. If you are saying your electrologist is causing permanant marks regularly leave and find someone more qualified. If these are temporary marks I would have to say that it could be quite common due to the size of the bulb. As for turning the heat down, the electrologist should know a basic setting for an area they are treating though of course it varies due to several factors. The main thing that you can do to find out if you are getting a good treatment is this. Your hair should not feel as though it’s getting tweezed, but you should not also be getting burned either from the heat or chemical from the treatment. Ofcourse electrolysis is uncomfortable, but there is a difference between that and getting burned. occasionally to feel a tweezed hair is normal as the electrologist is only human. Also, if the hair isn’t in the growing stage when being removed it can sort of feel a bit like a pluck as we are not getting a bulb, but a little tuft of hair. This is the case for hair that has maybe never been touched or it’s been months. The electrologists job is to find the lowest setting that your hair slides out of the follical with while not damaging the skins surface permanantly. There should be no tugging. It’s okay to speak up and let the electrologist know if you are feeling tugging as I see the client and electrologist as a team. The electrologist can either help explain why you were feeling what you were feeling or might have just been trying to find the right setting for you as initially it can take a few settings before finding one that is right for you. Terminal hair means it’s not in the growing stage, but it could have been since hair grows, rests and falls out. I am not aware of electrology causing what you referred to as terminal hairs to grow. Typically hair is going to grow due to hormones and blood circulation and medication. Anyway, I hope I in no way offend anyone, just trying to pass on my knowledge of the subject you inquired about. I do not profess to know all things electrology, just more than most lay people and wanted to help. Do not settle for sub-par electrology. I believe in it whole-heartedly when done by someone qualified. Transgendered people should be no different than anyone else in getting good, quality electrolysis. It’s out there. Good luck.I hope this helped.

You did just fine with your explanation, Nicksmom and we thank you for helping out.

I would like to also add that this is where the professional epilators with the better technology are really important because they offer the electrologist precise control of energy levels that can be consistently repeated hair after hair of similar structure. The levels can be precisely tweaked up or down with the push of a button. Control of energy and perfect insertions make a huge difference as far as the skin outcome goes.

The condition of the skin afterwards is a biggie. One can have hundreds of hairs treated over several hours on the same day and the client gets off the table looking a little pink and back to normal within minutes to hours. If the right probe is used with the perfect balance of energy and timing, you appear normal shortly afterwards, hands down.

A hair follicle can be partially damaged or it can be completely damaged, by controlling energy levels, but you just have to wait and see by how much later down the road? Scarring is not the same as temporary side effects that disappear in a week or so. If you had a rough healing scenario each time you had a treatment, then that’s where you can get into trouble. Repeated overtreatment can be bad news months after treatment. You have to be an active participant in your electrolysis plan and observe the healing. Always give feedback to your electrologist so you can be an unbeatable team. If she/he is defensive and full of lame excuses, then it’s “glad to know ya” time.

I would go for the “kill” for those remaining hairs with a skilled, modern electrologist that will give the hair enough juice without affecting the upper skin. It is 100% possible to do this and you will be ever so grateful that you are totally hair-free. Maybe we can give you some names if you could give us a general idea of where you live?

Dee

I think Nicksmom is confusing “terminal” with “telogen”.

I agree with Dee, go for the kill. Although electrolysis can break hairs down and become finer, they never become vellus, in my opinion.

Thanks Choice, you are absolutely right I was confusing terminal with telogen. That’s what happens when you stay up too late responding to something when you should be in bed. :slight_smile: Thanks for clearing that up for folks.

Thank you for your responses. They are very helpful. Also, Nicksmom, i’m glad you mentioned about the plucking thing (and yes i’m very flattered :wink: ). The first electrologist I used for a couple years in NYC would apply a certain amount of plucking pressure and if it didn’t come out she’d zap it again until it pulled out without feeling like it was plucked. I went to someone for a week in a different city and I noticed sometimes she would be plucking and I wondered about it, if she was just epilating those hairs.

I;m moving back to NYC so I’d be happy to hear any recommendations that anyone has for good electrologists.

And about vellus hairs–what do you do about sideburns? I want to have sideburns, just not male-looking ones. Now I just grow out hair to cover them but i’d like to have wispy burns if possible. And if all the hair there gets killed up to the hairline won’t it look wierd?

You shouldn’t be getting pitting and/or scars with proper electrolysis. With a good electrologist and machine, you shouldn’t have to sacrifice results for scarring or pitting etc.

Where in NYC are you moving?

Sideburns are one of my favorite areas to work on. Gradually thinning and feathering the area near the hairline so it looks natural is easy to achieve with electrolysis. That’s one of the huge advantages that electrolysis offers, being the ability to pick and choose right down to the very last hair makes all this very natural and controllable so you get the look you like.

Microflash / Picoflash thermolysis would be the way to go for this area. Keep that in mind when you start interviewing electrologists in NYC. Do let us know where you will be living so we at least get you started on the hunt.

Dee

Not sure yet–it depends where my partner gets a job. Were looking mostly in Inwood in Manhattan but also in Greenpoint and area south of prospect park (from Bay Ridge to Flatbush) in Bklyn.

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