Another French Medical Plucker

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#21

We may really never know what words were said for many American Patriots. Nathan Hale (a Washington spy after New York was taken over by the British) supposedly said before he was hanged that he regretted having one life to give for his country. It is reported as his quote, but some think it was lifted from Cato’s play (1712) ? Nathan Hale was a teacher, so he probably was well read and perhaps he did say that or something very similar. Nevertheless, words of history are not an exact science and when they are reported by more than one source, over a period of time, who knows what a famous person really said.

I was gently hinting that Adrien should lead the charge in France to change such an illogical system. Are you thinking about becoming involved in challenging this, Adrien?

I’m in LOVE with the Washington Spies series : TURN! Last episode of the season is tonight. Those spies (The Culper Ring - Abraham Woodhull, a cabbage farmer, and friends) were very creative, not to mention BRAVE. The colonial women played a huge part in defeating King George III. In fact, the war could not have been won without these WOMEN.

#22

Please, what vibrant industry are you referring to ? Are you talking about the work of Dr. Louis Brocq at the end of the 19 century ?

#23

My first classes in the Netherlands were in 1980. I was very involved with the industry in Europe. A couple French people took my classes; one was a physician. The nonsense in France today is exactly the same as it was in 1980. The “vibrant French industry” was primarily in Belgium.

#24

All I can say is that when I was in France (and not just Paris) in the 80’s and 90’s french people had enough practitioners to act like Americans and either take their time to choose one based on the varying criteria the prospective customer chose to set as his or her standard, or be like Americans who picked based on who was most convenient to their work or home. In the New Millennium, it’s all you take what we give you, and be glad we give you anything… unless you know the secret knock, handshake and the password and have Grandma Sophie-Clair’s friend from the casino vouch for you with a personal reference when the ladies do lunch. :wink:
Alternatively, you can get some books, read hairtell, watch YouTube videos and you and a partner can learn Do Each Other electrolysis. (you know, using an onion soaked in sports drink with wires attatched to sewing needle on one end, and a sponge on the other because you can’t seem to buy a pro machine )
Reminds me of a little commercial tangential to our subject. If you are lucky, the lords of the internet will allow you to click on this link and actually see it. :wink:

#25

Oh dear. I seem to say that a lot lately. Maybe I’ll switch it up and say something more intellectual like, “Oh, Nelly”.

#26

Ok, I admit it, I genuinely giggled. Too close to the truth!

#27

Thank you for this very interesting link Michael.

#28

I am already involved in challenging this Dee. Each time I go back to France, I try to speak about electrolysis with a different physician : in vain.
I could try again, until meeting the good one.

James : it is a shame we can not anything about this electrolysis French industry of the 80"/90" on the literature or on the internet. All I could find is about old testimonies of transgender women with destroyed skin by bad electrolysis procedures during the 90" (I don’t remember the exact name of the forum but I could find it) : it could explain why physicians dislike this technique (as French dermatologist Dr. Labroca said me : “you have to be mad if you want to have electrolysis done on your face!”)

#29

If transgender women complaining about destroyed skin equals something other than a vibrant industry, then the United states can only boast of having higher levels of access to what ever treatment possibilities are available.
Of course, since the problem is both access to both service and education, you have to ask yourself, who is teaching the doctors.

#30

Well, I am not sure United States can boast of having a higher livel of access to good health care system than the rest of occidental countries though. However the last president tried to improve it. (However We will not begin a political discussion here please)

Electrology course is not only available in USA : only France does not have it. In the rest of the European Union, as in UK or Spain for example we have it.

#31

I’m really surprised that the great politicians and medical community of France are so illogical and so closed-minded about educating non-physicians to perform electrolysis, so the PEOPLE can have access to excellent electrolysis care. There are lot of hairy people in France. Free market principles would serve the people of France very well and the all wise, all powerful (government) could collect more taxes with more people working. Who could be happier? It’s a win-win situation.

Why does electrolysis and electrolysis education thrive in the UK?

#32

Nobody. Well, a few send their employees to a training, but others are seeking Employees with the note “it is easy to learn”.

(That’s why the majority of the clients seem to give up after an initial training…)

#33

Dee and Beate, you both are right. The current system in France is illogical.
No one in teaching electrology because they do not know what it really is : electrolysis hair removal is not putting a needle in the skin and sendind current from a electric bistouri device !!

An access to education to non-physician will be the key for a “win-win situation” as Dee said.

#34

Businesses can’t make money teaching electrolysis because there is no profit in meeting regulatory requirements and holding classes for the few people who will show up, at the prices they are willing to pay for learning the profession. On the other hand, even if the best people taught the best techniques to anyone who came to learn for free, or for donations, there would be no legal certification credentials at the end of the training, just competency in performing the work, because this second model has bypassed expensive legal hurdles and regulatory controls.

Let’s put it this way, both an ASE Certified Mechanic and a so-called “shade tree mechanic” change the oil in a car the same way, they turn one bolt, let the oil drain into a container, replace the bolt, replace the filter and pour in fresh oil. Your car can’t tell the difference. If, however, you can only get oil changes from “Certified Mechanics” or if that program has been ended and only Mechanical Engineers are allowed to change oil in your area, you may need to drive 200 to 500 miles away to find the nearest person advertising that they are doing oil changes.