Advice TO the pro's

I thought I’d switch things up a little and give some feedback to the people who already have the skills to be a professional electrolysist. No, it’s not advice on method. I wont be talking about probes, or what modulation is best or how to avoid scarring . I’ll instead be talking about something much more dear to my heart.

I make no quams about telling anyone who asks, I’m transgender. I face enough discrimination in real life and have found the best way to combat issues is head on and honestly. Honestly, the best way you can be sure your electrolysis business succeeds, is to make sure people like me, are happy.

By way of example, I’m going to use the example of the place i have been getting electrolysis. I’ll get to more on this in a minute, because the experience of marketing to people like me starts before I ever pick up the phone. It starts with marketing.

The first thing you need to know about transpeple, and possibly the most important, is the financial impact we have on your business. Your average transwoman spends anywhere from 200-500 hours under the electrolysis needle on their FACE ALONE. Lets do some quick math, lets average and say 300 hours X $50 an hour over say 2 years.That’s 15000 or about $7500 per year from ONE CLIENT. And your average transperson doesnt stop there, they may seek laser first, and are likely to seek other beauty services like brow shaping, the list goes on. But here’s the even more important part, we are a very large part of your potential clientele, more and more transpeople seek electrolysis every year. And they TALK to each other.

I’m pretty low income. Alot of transpeople are. I have been having electrolysis done at a local electrolygy and beauty school. I was originally quite happy with the service. So I told some people. I gave the contact at my monthly TG group sessions to some of the other girls. I’m part of an adult community and run a group there, so I put information about what to expect up on that group. And, most importantly I mentioned my success during an appointment with my endocrinologist. He went on to tell a large number of his clientele who were having similar dysphoria about the hair on their face ( taht’s just about every transgirl). He’s the leading doctor servicing trans patients in a city of over a million. How many clients do you think that is? Lets be uber conservative and say, 300 ( very conservative since this doctor closed his doors to all but trans patients) . so 300 X $7500 year, lets see that’s $2, 250, 000 . Does it sound like we are talking about potential money yet? Do you think that the person responsible for bringing your business that kind of money deserves good service and respect yet? I read adds looking for electrolysis equippment quite alot lately and it amazed me the sheer number of “retired” electrolysists , mostly because they cant keep enough business coming in the door to keep said door open. If you see a transperson coming in your door and you dont see the potential to make some real money over the long term, then you are throwing dollars in the wastebin with every unbooked hour, plain and simple.

So what makes a transperson come to you in the first place? Well largely word of mouth.They’ve gotten your name , probably from another transgirl, because they have been searching for a way to rid themselves of every hair that is causing them to feel anything less than like the woman they are. Now about half these transpeople, will shun group meetings or online discussions and battle it out on their own. So how do they get your name? Probably marketing and advertising.
Have a look around at the elctrolysis advertisements both online and off in your area. How many of them seem to be exclusivly marketed to women? How many say “For WOMEN ONLY” ? You might as well put up a huge billboard on the front of your store saying “transgirls are not welcome here” if you do this. And yes, you are throwing away real money if you do so. No transperson will ever come near your business, nor will the potential money they bring with them.Recently I picked up a bunch of electrolysis probes from a retiring electrolysist. She gave me abunch of her pamphlets from her business, now closed. My partner ( a transguy) and i browsed through them the other night as we were sticking each other with probes. It talked about how Women have battled issues with hair for centuries. Every second word referenced specifically femle pronouns. As we read it, I kept transposing “person” instead of “female " or Woman” every time.Because yes, we transwomen do consider ourselves women first, but when we see the word stressed repeatedly in this manner we get the same impression as the add that says “women Only” , that you arent comfortable with anything but an extremely conservative environment and we wont be welcome in your business.
So enough of marketing, lets look at what it takes to keep a transwoman ( or transguy) happy as a client.Firt and foremost, we suffer something called Gender Dysphoria. We dont just think we are women ( or in the case of transguys MEN) we ARE women. That means when you address us using the appropriate pronouns, it makes us very happy. But if you call a transwoman “he " or " him” the reverse is immediately true, we are on edge, we are unhappy, and even though we may not say anything at the time we DEFINITELY noticed. We count our days by how many times we have our true gender recognized. I can ell you that today alone, in 6 different environments, I got called " She" “her” or “lady” and I noted and appreciated each one of them. I dont think I can think of a single occasion today I was called “he” so for me , this was a good day.

The other thing that makes transpeople happy, is GOOD SERVICE.Its the same as with every other client. We are NOT less important than your other clients. If you have overbooked, dont go toyour transwoman client and say “Sorry, I know you just paid for an hour, but I can only give you 30 minutes today” then proceed to rush through the session. Find another way to handle it. In this way we are the same as every other client, treat us well and we will not only continue to see you as a client, but likely refer you to a few ( or possibly hundreds) of her friends.

Now I said I would come down to a real life example of this. I’ve been having electrolysis done at a school, we’ll call “North Side Academy” ( not their real name but a variation thereof) located in the mall next to where I used to live. I first went there for laser. The very first thing that impressed me, was how quickly they adapted to my name. I made the appointment with a very obvius male face ( I was early on hormones at the time) and immediately thereafter there was no question of my status, and i was addressed by all, students, instructor , everyone with the proper pronouns.I was so happy about my first session I talked about it with other transgirls on the IRC chat at susans.org that night, and did a writeup about it for my locally based transgender group on an adult site i belong to. They started to get other business because of me. Soon after I had a discussion group for transgender and I mentioned to several there I was having laser done at this school, and at that point the school even reduced what I was paying them ( I had made them aware I had pimped their name a few times) . I also mentioned it to my endocrinologist.
Then I started electrolysis. About this time the lead instructor at the school left and was replaced by someone else. Instantly I saw the level of service drop. Instead of it being "She wants to make an appointment for tuesday, the front counter staff seemed to be reverting to “He wants to make an appointment on tues”. I definitely noticed.
Then scheduling got difficult. The school seemed to be getting more and more disorganized. One of the first times I had electrolysis the owner of the business was nearby and saw me, and immediately turned to the new head instructor and said “Seana is a very good customer, she gets it for $20.” That lasted about 4 sessions, before the new instructor decided it was too much labour and doubled it without the wner knowing about it. I quietly grumbled to myself, but paid. I also stopped using their services with anywhere near the same frequency. At one point I went in ( early as usual to take care of payment first as this had been biting into my session time) and was told I could only have 1/2 an hour , even though I had just paid for an hour and had booked the appointment days in advance. I’m not sure who was more disappointed, me, or the student who was working on me. I didnt go back for a month and a half.
When I did go back, one of the first things I noticed was the very obvious transgirl sitting waiting for her appointment.I had come in to make my appointment. It’s likely she was referred there by my endocrinologist. I made the appointment on friday.On friday I retruned to North End Academy, and was told they couldnt honour the appointment because they had no certified electrolysist to supervise the student that day. I remade it again for the next day, saturday.
As it happened, the student didnt show up on saturday. The Head electrolysist took the appointment instead. Now to be fair, i was extremely happy with her. She was brilliant. She’s offered to come to my home and do the work on me here with my machine. During the appointment she admitted to me "Seana, in 10 years teaching here, I have never seen the school in such poor shape. The place is a mess. I took longer to take you in, because I was cleaninglipstick off the magnifier and cleaning up 15 dirty cups scattered around the work area. " But I have to tell you, despite this teachers brilliance with the needle, it’s not enough to make me have another appointment there. I’m done with North End academy for good. I’ve again started looking for other qualified electrolysists. My group already knows of my recent issues, and are avoiding the place in droves. This month, I intend to quietly suggest to my endocrinologist to stop sending people there, as they wont have anyone qualified enough to work on them for 2 months anyway, and because of the steady decline in service.

So what does it take to keep the transgirls, and their wallets coming in your door and keeping a business alive in this economy? Simple things like respect. Like using the appropriate pronouns. Like using the right name. And like not allowing your prices to fluctuate from appointment to appointment. And by delivering the same professionalism and organization that the client has come to expect. Dont be like North End Academy, and dont throw away 2 1/4 million dollars a year .

Seana

I think everyone here will be appalled by your experiences and I imagine that the Trans community are not the only people departing in droves from this academy. The new management must be stupid as well as very rude. I hope you find a fantastic new practitioner really soon. As if transitioning is not difficult enough…

It is so nice to hear that from you. People wonder why anyone would travel long distances to see me, let alone cross international boundaries, but your story is illustrative of why that is. I am a proven commodity with a good transfriendly track record. As far as the industry, I used to be a voice crying out from the wilderness on this issue. Even so, there are still many prominent people in the industry who have a dim view of the TG population and embody the statement I made in a speech long ago, “Get out of here, and take your $20,000 with you!”

While I could go on and on on this topic, I will stifle myself. I will try to be brief in adding just two small supporting anecdotes.

At one particular gathering of electrolysis professionals, I was set upon by a group of students who had been told to stay away from me and not ask me any questions (which of course had the opposite effect… they would not have known who I was had not their teacher been so good at pointing me out) and their focus was on treatment strategies for transgender work. As I answered their questions in as brief a way as possible (after all, we were in a hotel hallway, and not a classroom symposium) an older Ivory Tower practitioner happens by just in time to catch some of the impromptu Q & A. I saw her face go from sunny radiance, to a mask of red faced disgust, and she pushed her way through the throng to my side, and confronted me thusly; “Why, James Walker, I used to have respect for you. You work on THEM? I did not know you aided and abetted in the commission of SIN!” The pack of students were speechless. The tension was thick enough to cut with a knife. I did my best comedic double take and replied to the hot faced woman, “I don’t know about you lady, but I am only removing the HAIR!” The students laughed, and the self righteous woman stormed off in a huff.

Different gathering of electrolysis industry people, I get buttonholed by a woman who had heard me take down a marketing speaker for that person’s obvious lack of knowledge specific to the electrolysis profession in the official Q & A. She says she wants my advice on how to save her business, as she can’t seem to break out of part time income, no matter how she works or markets her business. When she has finished telling me all the things she has done that has not yet “worked”, I said, before I answer, I want to ask you a few questions.
Do you treat men? — Oh Goodness NO! I would not feel comfortable spending hours alone with strange men.

Um, ok… Do you do bikini work? — Oh Goodness NO! I would not feel comfortable touching another woman like that.

Um, ok, I guess I promised 3 questions, so, Do you sell discounted treatment packages for prepaid hours in bulk? — Oh, no, I would never want to do that, I would feel like I was working for free after the first appointment.

I shrugged my shoulders and said, “I can’t help you. You have shut off every avenue I could offer you to increase your earnings, even as you limit your business to the people who have the least work to do, and are the least dedicated to getting it done.”

She fumed at me, “You mean you are not going to help me?”
(James face palms)

Ok, bonus anecdote… Once while I was calling around trying to find someone to work on my beard, after the usual batch of "I don’t treat men! <click> I rang up a practitioner who asked me why I would want to remove my beard. I told her the truth; I have ingrown hairs and just want to be done with it all. She demanded “Are you gay? You better tell me now, because if you are, I WILL find out! I don’t treat weirdos and sickos.”

My first transgirl came to me as “Jerry” wearing plaid flannel shirts, tight jeans, and dingo boots, but with long hair - it was the early 80s after all! I worked on her quite a few times, and finally got enough nerve to ask her a question. “Are you going through some, uh, gender stuff?” Thinking if she said, “what?” I would somehow dismiss my question.

She was soooo glad I’d asked and with it came a flood of information. The reason she did not disclose in the beginning was that she had called the other electrologist in town and asked if she worked on “transsexuals” and was “rewarded” with the response, “You are SICK!”

With today’s methods of advertising (websites) it is quite easy to let people know what services you offer. Electrologists should also help “new girls” to find support groups in their area.

I do not doubt your experiences, but I have never met an electrologist that isn’t SUPER happy to work on transgirls: we all do it (well the ones I know)!

MAYBE it’s because I live in California? Maybe the East Coast (like the West Coast) is also more open “culturally?” I don’t know, just saying. Still, the Dallas “3000 group” is pretty much entirely working with transgirls!

I do, however, remember being interviewed by Mr. Hinkel himself (before enrolling in the school). He told me, “We work on transgendered people here at the school. Do you have any ‘problem’ with that?” He went into a long explanation and Hinkel had great compassion. His policy was simple: if you “had a problem with that” you could not enroll in the school!

One of my favorite “lines in a movie” comes from “To Be or Not to Be.”

The Nazi officer tells the theater owner that he may continue with theatrical performances, but “no Jews or homosexuals.”

The theater owner says, “WHAT? Without Jews and homosexuals, THERE IS NO THEATER!”

Gotta love it!

I know when I was contacting electrologists for facial hair removal, I got asked many times if I was transitioning. I politely said no, and all of them explained it they were asking because they wanted to know if I was doing anything else that might affect hair growth. Everyone was super polite about it. Perhaps it’s because they are in super liberal Los Angeles, but I’ve found all the electrologists I’ve visited to be very open to TG clients.

I would encourage ALL electrologists on this forum who are comfortable treating TG clients to add their name to this list. I have used this list extensively and have suggested it to other people, so I imagine a lot of TG clients use it:

http://www.lauras-playground.com/transgender_electrologist_list.htm

Or for outside the US:

http://www.lauras-playground.com/transgender_intenational_electrologist_list.htm

I’m studying how to do electrolysis, and am a frequent recent contributor ( and asker of tough questions) in the DIY section. Some people might question why , as a transperson i might do this.After all I’m only looking at probably around 200-250 hours of electrolysis myself, and then I’ll be done. And the advice given to every DIY’er here, is good advice, dont try and work on your own fce, it’s too problematic trying to do so with reversed movements in a mirror and you will end up scarring yourself potentially.

The reason, is simple.I’m looking for a new career. I have limited time available because I care for an autistic son at least 50% of the time. I used to be a computer technician, and in 20 years of doing so it was probably one of the most unstable forms of employment I could have chosen… It’s overserviced, and you tend to do alot of contract for a month or two then go somewhere else, never knowing at the end of the week if the contract you are on will be renewed or again looking for work for a month or so again.

Maybe it’'s a different culture here in Canada , but I see what I described in my original post almost 50% of the time here in Ottawa. There is a MASSIVE market for trans -friendly electrolysists, and to my way of thinking, I’d be foolinsh to not try and pick up a new skill when it’s something I seem to enjoy, and yet seems so underserviced.

Seana

Seana, thanks so much for your post, it was very helpful for me.
I would love to add many new clients such as yourself to my practice and just never knew how to go about it. I emailed to have myself added to the international list and will go add something to my website to open the door, so to speak.

Do you have any suggestions about what would be more inviting for TG clients? I already have on my website that I do “full monty” waxing, and despite actually having a crazy guy show up one time wanting a happy ending, I was not traumatized and continue to treat men anyways. I’m not sure what the big deal is but I would like to change my website to be more TG friendly because I know other salons in town here won’t even do female bikini electrolysis so I think their heads might explode if a transgender person called.

It’s definitely an untapped market in my small town so I would like to open my doors!

You can check out my website here: www.offbroadwaysalon.ca

A simple statement in a conspicuous spot on your site To the effect that your salon provies services to men, and women regardless of gender identity, will probably go further than anything else on your website. If you have a resources or information section on your site, including a few articles on transgender hair removal might be useful and would let people know you assist TG clients, especially any informatuon you have on hormones and antiandrogens, and how they affect hair growth and removal. Susans.org has some information on this and is also a populr information site for TG, asking to be allowed to let people know ther you servcie TG clients would probably go a long way Alot of Tg try to shortcut by having laser first, I include myself in that group,so information on permanency in comparison to laser may be helpful .

I didnt know where orangeville is, and had to look it up , it looks like you are in the toronto /missisauga region. There is a gender clinic up that way called the Sherbourne Health Center, that services largely TG clients. Contacting them and asking if you can put some flyers at their site stating you are willing to assist trangender patients with hair removal may go a long way, often the doctors dont know where to refer people either.

Seana

Kathy, I put your site address and contacts on the transgendercanada board. You’ll likely recieve a few calls.

Seana

Post to transgendercanada:
Hi Folks,

As I’ve maybe mentioned on the boards before, I’m studying electrolysis, and I get alot of advice from the pro’s on hairtell.com. I also try to give back, and recently started a thread on there giving advice to the pro’s on Transgender hair removal.

One of the electrolysists in Orangeville, is wanting to get the word out that she welcomes transgender clients wholeheartedly. If you happen to be in this region and have hqad trouble finding someone who will treat you and be nonjudgemental, you may want to give her a shout.Her contact details are:

www.offbroadwaysalon.ca

Kathy Lynn Payne
Off Broadway Salon
Orangeville, ON Canada

Happy transitioning !

Seana

Hey thanks Seana, that was really nice of you!

I’ve actually heard of the Sherbourne Cinic, but it’s downtown Toronto I believe, which is a good hour away. Maybe I will contact them and see if I can send them my brochures.

Thanks for all the advice, I will definitely get on that :grin: