27 Mhz Electrolysis Epilators: Fact or Fiction?

Hair Removal Methods Do-It-Yourself Electrolysis
#1

I want to begin a discussion about the 27 Mhz electrolysis machines. My electrologist doesn’t have one and I have only read about them. Everywhere I look and everyone I talk says that these machines are more comfortable, faster, etc… Justifiably, I was incredibly intrigued, so I started to do more research on the Apilus Platinum and what I found contradicts what you all are saying!

Bono says in book 'The Blend Method" that “There is no difference --at least in the follicle–between the two frequencies. Indeed, this is just a marketing ploy. Don’t be impressed with ‘frequency,’ there is no difference, Pain is determined by the strength and duration of the HF signal; not the frequency of the HF signal!” Even my husband, who has a doctorate in physics, agrees with Bono. He says that just doubling the frequency doesn’t change the power output.

How can this be? I want to know once and for all, is the 27 Mhz epilator really much more efficient than the 13.5 Mhz epilators? And how can this be, because the science doesn’t seem to add up?!?

#2

The first printing of Bono’s fabulous book was in 1995. He’s a true master and we are all so grateful for his contributions to this field. All I can offer you is what I have observed in real time using the Apilus Platinum. 95% of my clients are impressed with the sensation factor. I am impressed with the skin outcome and time to completion. The other 5% of my clients would not be comfortable with anything even if I hit them in the head with a baseball bat after administering general anesthesia. They just have an aversion to needles and pain or they have very low pain threshholds. Even that 5% still lay on the table for 30 minutes or more, so that says something good about 27 Mhz technology.

Bono wrote his book before 27 Mhz epilator’s (Platinum and PURE) came on the scene in 2005, so he may offer a different viewpoint on this today.

Read my post that I just made about a real client who had the experience of being worked on with a good 13.56 brand epilator and then a 27 Mhz epilator. Hair on Arms and Hands She did well with both machines, but she verbalized that she most certainly prefers the Aplius Platinum as far as sensation goes.

Now, James and the other Mensa Club contributors will have to talk with you about the physic’s of all this, because that part is out of my league. All I can tell you is, I really am wowed by the Apilus Platinum and the vast majority of my clients are, too.

#3

Thanks dfahey for the taking the time to answer my question. Since I have never used
the Apilus Platinum, I cannot say for sure what it feels like. I would really like to try and compare the difference!

#4

You should make that one of your goals. If you can possibly find someone skilled to use the AP on you, we would value your opinion very much.

#5
  • The megahertz, abbreviated MHz, is a unit of alternating current (AC) or electromagnetic (EM) wave frequency equal to one million hertz (1,000,000 Hz). The megahertz is commonly used to express microprocessor clock speed. The unit is occasionally used in measurements or statements of bandwidth for high-speed digital data, analog and digital video signals, and spread spectrum signals. Other units of frequency are the kilohertz (kHz), equal to 1,000 Hz or 0.001 MHz, and the gigahertz (GHz), equal to 1,000,000,000 Hz or 1,000 MHz. It is used primarily for radio signals which we tune to get our station.

Our machines are Radio Frequency devices so they operate at 13.56 or 2X or 3X that. The speed difference between all three is so infinitesimally small that it has no significance for us. All are called “junk” frequencies. They are used to avoid mixing with military, police, fire, ham radio signals and other equipment like microwave ovens.

The speed of your machine has absolutely NO meaning to you or your patient. It MAY be important with computers as they send data FASTER but it is the same data. We need heat. Too little or too much is no good. When you talk about millionths of a second it has no baring on our work. 27 megahertz is only one of the allowed speeds of the machines. 13.56 or 2X and 3X that is allowed by FDA. The result is determined by how hot and how long the current is applied and that has nothing to do with 27 vs 13.56 megahertz for the work we do which is very simple. A millionth of a second is so short that the patient will never know the difference. It is the heat that does the work and that is what patients feel as well as imperfect insertions. If you or your patient can feel anything it is because you are more careful with your insertions, or you turned down the heat with either of the knobs you have. Time or intensity. What you have is the PLACEBO effect which you got by suggestion and YOU RELAYED TO THE PATIENT VERBALLY. All of this was started by the advertising which means NOTHING. IT IS EASY FOR ADVERTISERS TO DO THIS BECAUSE ELECTROLOGISTS NEVER LEARN THIS FROM THEIR TEACHERS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW IT EITHER. Look up megahertz on google.

#6

I told all of you there are Mensa genious’s on hairtell.

One question for you, Harvey: Have you ever used an Apilus Platinum on your clients? Have you ever had hair removed yourself by someone using an Apilus Platinum? I have and it is very comfortable.

The speed of the current does make a difference in the comfort level of the client (not the patient - no one is sick here) and placebo effect is not a factor. I know, because without telling some of my clients that I had a new epilator, they told me after a few minutes into session, that they couldn’t feel anything and to turn the heat up! Hardly qualifies for placebo effect.

Those that don’t use and haven’t personally experienced the world of a 27MHz epilator, seem to shout the loudest. I don’t intend to look up megahertz or any other term on google because I already know that something good has happened to the field of electrolysis. And, I haven’t used an epilator with knobs for years! I don’t think you want to understand that there are better epilators for removing hair that benefit both the electrologist and the weary client who seeks to resolve their problem asap.

#7

Thank you both for your diverse perspectives on this subject. I am learning so much from both of you. I hope that I haven’t provoked a fight!

My husband has suggested that there are many other things that Dectro could have changed to make their epilator feel more comfortable (output). But, probably the frequency doesn’t have anything to do with it but something else.

Without a doubt, I have to try the Apilus before completely passing judgement.

A few more questions…

lefty2g: What did you think of the Apilus Platinum when you tried it?

Dfahey: The most important thing is that you and your clients have noticed a difference and it is benefiting both of you.

#8

One HairTell poster has even conducted experiements using a modified CB radio in order to test working with everything from 3 to 27 megahertz and reported back that a difference in comfort was found, even though the experiment was designed to keep output constant. This coming from someone who wanted to prove the idea to be wrong. For their part, Dectro says that the Platinum is more comfortable because of the frequency, coupled with a power control that allows great bursts of energy occuring at really small intervals. Simply put, if you can make more heat or chemical energy in a fraction of the time, there is less to feel. It is like the difference between a stream of boiling hot water, and one drop of boiling hot water. What else can we say on the subject?

#9

I have something else to say, James. Dectro has made a great epilator and this is one electrologist who would like to offer my thanks to all those researchers and engineers that labored for ten years to bring the Platinum and Pure to market. Berky, if your husband has better ideas to make this more comfortable, PLEASE enourage him to contact Dectro. It’s already pretty darn good compared to other epilators, but if electrolysis can be made a pain-free proceedure, who wouldn’t love that?

#10

Why can’t we use higher frequencies that aren’t guarded? Could there be an epilator functioning at microwave frequencies?

With t.v.'s going digital, and those frequencies may become available for public usage, do you think that we will see new epilators functioning at 300 MHz levels?

#11

I believe, in general, the analog tv spectrum has already been bought and allocated, though I could be wrong. I remember reading there might be some exceptions to this, but I don’t know if epilators would qualify. One could perform hair removal at any frequency inside an appropriately designed faraday cage I suppose.

According to Michael Bono, 40.68mhz has already been approved for epilators to operate at, along with 13.56mhz and 27mhz. Maybe a 40mhz epilator is next?

#12

The double frequency means that it takes half the time to deliver the same amount of energy. The energy is converted to heat. The smaller amount of time means less heat disperses around the follicle and more is directed toward whatever the needle is touching (hence why one has to be sure of placement).

I suspect there is decreasing returns to going 3x or 4x or 5x, as the blast of heat approaches the impulse function.

All I can say is that I had a small patch of hair done on my left shoulder with a platinum one session and almost all of that hair has never returned (a year later). There is a picture floating about in my thread, or someone else’s thread, I believe.