NO PROTECTIVE EYEWEAR PROVIDED during LHR??

Apparently the assistant was responsible for prepping (I believe it was she that put the gel on me), and as is law in NJ, the doctor was doing the treatment. She did have goggles on.

Aaatina, You contradict yourself here, you first indicate you made a hasty decision, then you say you passed on three doctors. Your question seems very peculiar, similar to a post on another site

http://www.realself.com/question/nj-protective-eyewear-gentleyag-laser-hair-removal-treatment-chin

I personally do not appreciate the fact that you are wasting my time and the time of other professionals on this site.

I understand that it is difficult to find a good practitioner, if you go to a substandard practitioner you are wasting your money, better to save your money and travel to see a good one.

Electrolysis lady, I don’t appreciate your attacking me. You do not know me nor my situation details. I have been through a very trying ordeal trying to find a suitable practitioner, and have possibly had my eyes damaged for life. These are the only eyes I will ever have and I need them every day. This is on top of a very trying time for me (my father is very ill, and my best friend was diagnosed with a brain tumor and right now is in a hospital with an infection from where they operated on her brain).

To have you tell me my question is peculiar and I am wasting people’s time is hurtful. I have just as much right to post and seek advice here as anyone else. And yes, that was my post on realself. I dont see what the problem is with that.

I do not feel I need to justify myself to you, but what I meant was that I did not meet with her in person before starting treatments. What I did do was research her ratings online, saw where she went to medical school and what she specializes in, and read through her website and watched videos that she made of herself, her practice, and patient testimonials that she put on youtube and on her site.

Prior to that, I consulted with two local doctors (D.O.'s) who had the YAG and Sciton lasers and visited a laser clinic supervised by a dermatologist where they have the Soprano laser. I also had one test spot and meeting with and then a treatment by a plastic surgeon who uses the LightSheer. I met all of these in person.

The doc who did not put the goggles on me, she is the only one I did not meet in person, because her office is an hour away. But she checked out in many ways. Everything I saw online about her was good and encouraging. Her office sounded helpful, caring, and pleasant. Her assistant sent me emails telling me how to prepare for treatment. Everything checked out as far as I could tell. The only thing is I DID NOT MEET HER IN PERSON before the first treatment. She did not want to do a test spot but just go immediately to treatment.

Perhaps if I had met her in person I would have picked up that she isn’t really like her videos in person and that her manner is rushed. That is what I mean by I rushed in there blindly. I meant that I didn’t meet with her before the first treatment. Now that I think about it, I was being hard on myself in saying that, because I checked her out as best I could. No one expects a doctor to misstep that badly.

If you feel I am wasting your time, you certainly are under no obligation to reply any further. Thank you for the input you have given me up to this point. I am grateful for all opinions and take everything into account. Thank you.

The above was in response to this.
Well, I should be getting ready for bed now. Rest is so impoprtant for eye (and other) health.
Good night all. :wink:

Aaatina –

Right now, you have everyone on this forum telling you that the doctor you saw screwed up royally. You have 2 dermatologists and 2 surgeons telling you that your laser tech screwed up royally. You have Candela telling you that your tech screwed up royally. It seems very clear to me at least that you believe your laser tech screwed up royally. How in the world, with all of that, are you still considering going back to her? What I am sensing from your posts, and please correct me if I am wrong, is that you seem to want to believe that your doctor made a small mistake and that everything will be fine if you go back (regardless of what everyone is telling you.) That to me is where people are getting the impression that they’re wasting their time.

Even if this was something she forgot (which as a client, would scare me away so quickly to know my laser tech would be so incompetent), you have also received advice here NOT to do laser on female facial hair at the risk of inducing more growth. I know New Jersey isn’t far from NYC which has fantastic electrologists (e.g. http://www.breierhairremovalandskincare.com/), and I don’t know how far away you are, but I imagine it’s not much more than an hour.

:slight_smile: Yes, five people were kind enough to reply in this thread and all mentioned what a screw up that was…and I know first and foremost it is a BIG screw up.

Just because I put forward that notion that maybe it just WAS a one time slip, and maybe she really IS a good doc and maybe still despite everything, one of the better ones available to me, doesn’t mean people wasted their time. I am just trying to get an idea of what is really going on in my situation. Isn’t this a place for learning and discussion of doubts, questions and fears?

Anyways, I am a full two and a half hours away from New York driving (at least…who knows with traffic), and my car (not to mention my own stamina these days) could never handle the drive there. I do not know anyone there and I could never just head up their for a visit, a test spot, or if something went wrong. I could possibly consider another closer city, if it is true that the only infallibly good hair removal is found in large cities. I wouldnt know how to verify who is good and who isnt before I go in there, buit that is another story.

So no one here at all recommends LHR for women on the chin? I genuinely did not realize that was the opinion of the entire forum and of the hair removal world at large. I had read elsewhere that was it is a small percentage of people who get the paradoxical growth and only under certain conditions. I can link the doctors online who have written on this if needed.

I dont mean to offend anyone. I am here to ask questions and hear opinions. Please try to understand that to a newbie, this is all very confusing. If an MD specialzing in electrolysis and LHR says on another site that paradoxical hair growth only happens in certain situations and is unlikely with the right type of laser and treatment, then it is hard to accept it immediately when you hear someone else tell you that the risk is high enough to avoid that and go for electrolysis. (I have very sensitive skin and friends have told me their bad experiences with electrolysis).

I would just like to repeat that I am a newbie, and everything I am hearing here, is for the first time. It’s not like I’ve been here a WHOLE year and I’m still questioning what people are saying. So please go easy on me, and please no more attacks! Peace and love is my motto. Thanks and good night.

I do not believe electrolysislady was attacking you. She has been very helpful around this forum. I believe she is frustrated that everyone (including yourself) is telling you what a grave mistake this doctor made and you’re still considering going back. Reminds me of when I read about a doctor who operated on the wrong side of a patient’s brain. You wouldn’t have gone back to that doctor. You shouldn’t go back to this one. I feel like that one should be a no-brainer personally (I’m sorry if this sounds harsh, but it’s the truth.)

In general, for women, treating facial hair with laser is a terrible idea unless their facial hair is equivalent to a man’s beard. Yes, it is true that not every woman experiences induced growth, and you very well may not, but enough women post here writing that they experienced induced growth that it is not worth the risk.

I don’t know how far these people are from you, but I would check out these people for electrolysis (I don’t have any experience with them but they are from a transgendered-friendly electrologist list, all of whom I have seen on the list have been excellent – some of the information may be outdated so you need to check):

Stella Vasilakis, CPE
Anchorage Square
1749 Hooper Avenue, Suite 204B
Toms River, NJ. 08753
Phone : (732) 255-3366
Email : stellacpe@aol.com

Donna D. Risos LE, CPE
Jersey Shore Electrolysis
448 Lakehurst Road
Toms River, NJ 08755
Phone : (732) 349-7611
website : http://www.jselectrolysis.com

Vinessa Anthony, CPE
Free & Clear Electrolysis
531 Ridge Road (within Gentle Dental)
Lyndhurst, NJ. 07071
Phone : (201) 935-8354
Email : vaelectrolysis@yahoo.com

Patricia DiIorgi, L.E.
Aesthetic Electrolysis
470 Ridgedale Avenue, Suite 1C
(rear of building)
East Hanover, NJ. 07936
Phone : (973) 887-2310

Absolute Electrology
Inna Katz, LE, CPE
15 James Street
Florham Park, NJ. 07932
Phone : (973) 538-9807
Email : Abselectrology@gmail.com
Website : http://www.absolute-electrology.com

It is very true that there is a lot of misinformation about laser and electrolysis out there. Do understand that we are trying to help you, but it’s worrisome that you seem inclined to go back to her. In this case, regardless of whether or not it was a one time slip, that speaks volumes of her incompetence. DO NOT go back to this MD under any circumstance. Remember, your MD has an interest in getting you to go spend more money with him/her. We do not.

It’s very unlikely that anything happened to your eyes, even though they made a bad mistake unless they aim at your eyes, it’s very hard to cause any damage.
What you probably see in your eyes is just due to the bright flashes, nothing more.

Thank you, although I have floaters and cloudiness when I look at the computer screen which is not good. :frowning: [/quote]

Aaatina, I’m sorry to hear that. I would like to say that when I had my treatments, I could still see bright lights even when I was wearing the protection. And for some time I was getting paranoid that my eyes had been damaged because my sight seemed different. But it was just my mind and worries. I really hope this is the case for you as well and your eyes aren’t damaged. Best of luck to you.

This statement borders on being a medical opinion and I strongly disagree. Without a physician examining this individual there is no basis for this statement.

Btw in David J. Goldberg’s book, “Laser Hair Removal” there is information indicating that there have been reported incidence of laser induced cataracts and iris atrophy.

I never said it wasn’t my opinion. Been around lasers and laser engineers long enough to realize what i said.
In my opinion, it’s not likely to cause permanent damage from one time of indirect eye usage.

I tend to agree with odi. While not recommended, it’s relatively difficult to get damage from this unless the laser is aimed directly at the eye.

Also, agree with Brenton. Unless your hair is dense and coarse similar to a men’s beard, don’t do laser. It is more likely to cause induced growth than remove any hair if the hair is not coarse enough.

Aaatina, I am sorry you found a LHR technician who doesn’t understand her equipment. Just wondering if the doctor wore any type of eye protection?
Laser typically works best on someone with light skin and dark hair. As a Fitz IV, you are not really a good candidate for LHR, sometimes they won’t tell you you’re not a good candidate after you finish a series of treatments-or several series of treatments. Did they mention that to you?

Skin color is not the most important factor. Coarseness of the hair is. Skin type IV gets great results from laser, just not on finer hair, especially on a woman’s face.

I believe if your cornea was hit with a laser beam, you might hear a “pop” sound. The vision changes within 24hs or so and you would see a black spot in the middle of your vision in the one eye.

Hope you can get into your dr soon but sounds like your eyesight may be ok. Goodluck!