My Electrolysis Diary. Laser stimulated hair.

Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
#41

in 2011/2012 ( may 2011 to june 2012) I did 12 sessions of laser with what I believe was an alexandrite laser. Performed by students of an esthetics school here in town. It seemed to remove some hair? I still had every bit a full beard however, and the results were horribly patchy,you would end up with a square inch of bare skin next to another square inch of the densest hair growth you’ve seen. It costs me somewhere in the neibourhood of $1500 over that year, not money I could really afford either. I sure as heck couldnt afford electrolysis. I was forced to stay home to care for an autistic child and so had zero income.
In 2012 and into 2013 I started electrolysis, 10-12 hours, at the same school, all blend.It was about this time , and for about 18 months following, that I started to do self electrolysis.Lots of it. Hundreds of hours. Inside 6 months my face was clear, and by 14 months I was done all but the neck ( which still isnt finished 5 years later!!!) I began at that point doing cleanup sessions every 2-6 months.
In the time frame since then, I’ve continued the cleanup sessions. not every day, but every few months or so I would spend 45 minutes or an hour working on my face. I know that on a few occasions, my drug balance hs been off leading to elevated testosterone at times ( mostly due to drug shortages for my antiandrogen) but in 5 years, the hair hasnt stopped coming. It’s not like when I had the full brard, they come in sporadically.Also in that time frame, I’ve completed multiple cases, and in those cases, where laser was not performed, the hair has stayed gone.But in my case, well, I know tht in abnother 4-5 months, it will be time for another cleanup session.

There is zero doubt in my mind, that laser delays a percentage of hair follicles, and that these hairs will regrow some years into the future.I know over the years, some people here have said " it must be something you are doing, you must not be really killing the hairs". Thing is, if that were the case, those finished cases ( that havent had laser) would be coming back. None of them have.

I get so much lashback when I bring up this issue, that I’ve stopped bringing it up.

Seana

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#42

Your experience can be corroborated by hundreds (thousands?) of cases. The “backlash” only comes from people who don’t have a solid explanation for your REAL experience. Eventually, we will have a science-based reason for “delayed hair growth.”

At this point, I only have questions. Suppositions don’t do it for me. Furthermore, people with reasonable laser experiences do not therefore negate the odd (and growing) experiences of post-laser patients.

For example, I had Lasik in 1998 from the top guy at UCLA (Robert Maloney). Finally now, they are identifying the minor difficulties I’m having (and have noticed for years) … that were caused by laser eye surgery … and now well-documented.

Sadly, it usually takes decades to establish a cause-and-effect relationship between “products” and negative effects. How many decades did it take to prove that smoking causes lung cancer? How many years did physicians recommend smoking to “calm your nerves?”

#43

Just for giggles. When I saw Maloney, in his private office, his staff said he performed 35 Lasik procedures each day … at a cost of $5,000 (5-days per week). He retired for a few years, but is back doing procedures. Can you count that high?

His office looked like a hotel lobby and “beyond first class.” It was a virtual factory.

#44

That’s 70 eyeballs a day at about 2 minutes per eyeball, which is 140 minutes, which is a little less than 2.5 hours of actual lasering per day.

35 X $5,000 = $175,000 per day X 5 days a week = $875,000

Really!? I’m not an envious person. Good for him!

#45

I had hair stimulating while having Lazer treatmet (chin area) … I didn’t know that Lazer could do this… When I started to have electricity treatment my specialiset didn’t ask questions… Is it normal for the electrolysis to ask?

#46

Highest paid doctor in NY is a urologist who made $7 Million dollars last year mostly from prostate cancer surgeries. Some of these doctors are earning based on their brand-name empire and not necessarily superior skills. America was built on brand-name capitalism. I envy the Kardashians. Most people ask why they’re famous but decades later they’re still making millions off their last-name for no reason. :slight_smile:

#47

hairy harry, I ask every client about their skins history and if they have had laser, otherwise its impossible to advise them on their treatment properly and have expectations met. I expect this is the same with most electrologists.

#48

Seana, I wasn’t asked anything, I was just told what not to do, like, not to shave or pluck… I think she was good and got results but I don’t really know as she was the only electrolysis I ever went to.

#49

seana! interesting. what about the cases of those not on hormone replacement therapy who had laser induced hair growth. are those people continuing to need electrolysis for 5+ years as well?

#50

I think I have cleared up laser induced hair stimulation cases because I haven’t heard from clients for a long time. I wish clients would drop me an email or text me years down the road and let me know how they are doing. I ask them to do so, but I never hear a peep, so I assume they are happy and just don’t think about their facial hair anymore because that is no longer a concern.

If you get cleared every 4-6 weeks… If you don’t do ANYTHING that pulls out the hair while having electrolysis , then you will most likely finish and be happy in about 12-18 months. Electrolysis works, but it is not magical. Electrolysis cannot stop new hair from stimulating in the future. It cannot undo any weirdness to the hair growth cycles that laser reduction may have caused. Hair is a tough enemy. Hair is stealthy. Hair growth can be unpredictable. This is why we can’t be cut and dry with answers to your excellent questions.

Your plan should be to patiently lay on the table and attack / punch out the bothersome hairs. Keep doing this until there are no bothersome hairs to punch. Let time pass and soon you will discover that your plan is working. You will know when it’s time to stop because things will get boring. There will be no more bothersome hair to focus on anymore… until Mother Nature decides to stimulate some new hair follicles???

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#51

Stephgold I dont understand how HRT is relevant to what happens post laser and at least hald my clientele arent even transgender. .What I can tell you is what I see is pretty consistent between myself and the experiences of the clients I’ve had who did laser beforehand.If they did laser, I see the delayed follicles coming back and it tends to stretch out electrolysis treatment because hairs we’ve never seen or treated before keep coming in for several years.

#52

You give the best most candid responses. You are appreciated.

#53

Ahhhh. I don’t know. You mentioned you are on HRT and I thought it was related to hair growth if the levels of hormone fluctuate if you go on or off therapy. I thought I read that in your post? Hmm I guess not judging by your response. I was asking if your laser patients are on HRT and if they aren’t then I guess I have a long road ahead of me.

#54

See I agree. Bc there have been studies following laser patients about 3 years out and that’s all. We don’t know for sure if laser is the reason a person gets more hair or not. I mean it could be their own genetics. I wish someone could study when the effects of laser wears off. I know most need a "touch up’ yearly.