Male chest and abdomen: No good with laser?

Hair Removal Methods Laser hair removal
#21

There is a joke about the difficulty of armchair quarterbacking this one, but I will resist the temptation.

My best guesses are that she could be undertreating the hairs, or she could be getting breakage from the thermolysis bursts. In either case, you could have hair coming out of a scab in two weeks. The only other option that I can think of off the top of my head would be one where you have those “double follicles” where two hairs are so close together that they look like two hairs coming out of one follicle. You may notice many of these on your legs, especially around your angles and where ever your socks grip your leg.

Working that area is always a game of competing purposes. You don’t want to hurt the client, but you want to remove the hair. The treatment modality used can give its own special problems, and getting a good insertion is no small affair as well.

#22

James,

I don’t think she is undertreating because she cranks up the power quite high as my pain tolerance is really high…However I noticed some scarring so next time I will discuss that…

What did you mean by “breakage from the thermolysis burst”?

I have to say that she did take em out WITH sheath and bulb…

What would be clever in such a case? pure galvanic on the ones that come back?

Ow and by the way if she was undertreating them but still getting them out…Wouldn’t 2 weeks be too soon for these hairs to start showing up again?

#23

See, this is the thing that makes this difficult to give you an answer. If she is taking out fully formed hairs, with bulbs on them, AND you are finding hairs growing out of the scabs, then the only possibility is you having “double follicles” (really two hairs so close together that they appear to be coming from the same one) or actual follicles with multiple hairs growing from them, in which case, you could have something in the hair shaft that she can’t remove during the treatment, but comes out 2 weeks later.

There is no way that she could properly treat a hair, and have that follicle heal, regenerate, AND grow a new hair in only 2 weeks. That is just not biologically accurate. So, no, you would get nothing out of switching to galvanic alone.

#24

Toeman, you say that you have had four treatments so far. Are you getting fully cleared each session? You know that four sessions is only the beginning, right? You will need to be patient for 9-12 months at the minimum. We can’t make it any faster than that because there are many hairs to come after the initial clearance. Hairs growing out of scabs? I wonder if she lost track of hairs she treated and did not lift those treated hairs out?

I know you are a smart guy and are probably saying to yourself, “Well, I already know everything you said Dee!” If you are seeing full hair structures and there is no tugging when the hair is lifted out, you are getting a good treatment. This area takes longer to heal than a week for most because it is moist, dark and the friction of your clothes irritate the skin. DO NOT WORRY ABOUT SCARRING!!! You will not scar and even if you have some scarring, it is not your face. Scarring is often confused with TEMPORARY SKIN MANIFESTATIONS. It is rare to scar. One has to be pretty inept to scar a client.

Blend, Galvanic, Thermolysis - they all work well when done properly. Personally speaking, I do PicoFlash thermolysis on my clients because they want the hair off FAST for their buck. I can do blend on request just as well to satisfy the doubting client, but usually compalin it hurts more and not enough hairs are getting treated in a session. Don’t think one modality is superior than the other for getting permanent results and don’t fret and worry when you have only had FOUR sessions under your belt. Worry about your progress if you look as hairy as you started out with at month six. Get fully cleared each time and stay true to schedule to stay cleared. Work hard at this for a good SIX MONTHS and the rest of the time spent on the table will be a fairly easy downward glide.

Dee

#25

Hi Dee and James,

Thanks for the answer.

Yes I am getting fully cleared every time…Every 6 weeks, so you could say I am working on it for four months…

James, I do have some double follicles but after four treatments, shouldn’t both hairs be attacked?

Maybe for your information: I do also have bend follicles…not curly but more like this: " ( "
Maybe that’s a reason? but still she gets them out with bulb and sheath…

#26

I think she’s doing well and you need more time to pass. Four months is not enough time to evaluate effectiveness.

#27

I disagree. If the treatment has begun with the most visible hairs. At this point, the density of hairs must be reduced by 80%. These Alur, Toeman, and should not have the slightest doubt about the effectiveness.

“That’s why multiple treatments are necessary with either laser or electrolysis. You basically need to kill hair in each phase of growth.”

Regarding this statement, in our experience, is absolutely false. With Electrolysis, once is enough to remove hair. In most cases need not be repeated in the same follicle.

Moreover, Toeman, if you can clearly see that the hair re-emerge in the center of the crust (and not on one side) is a symptom that something has failed. Maybe the injury has not affected the follicle itself and the skin surface. That would explain it in two weeks, see a new hair. The extra flow of blood to repair the damaged tissue, can accelerate the emergence of a new hair soon.

#28

I think you’re misreading that statement ded10. With both laser AND with electrolysis, only the hair in anagen phase can be killed. That’s what that statement meant. That there is still more hair on that area that is not visible and needs to be killed once it surfaces. Of course, with both methods, each and every hair is not necessarily killed the first time around either, even if it’s in the right phase. But most should be.

Toeman, I think your treatments are too far apart when it comes to electrolysis. At the beginning, treatments are usually necessary every 2-3 weeks since you want to attack hair when it’s still weak and new. That means, you shouldn’t let some of that hair grow for 6 weeks before you attack it with electrolysis. Come in as soon as you see new hair.

#29

“With both laser AND with electrolysis, only the hair in anagen phase can be killed.”
Lagirl, you make some statements too risky. You insist on saying that the only effective Electrolysis in Anagen. I am more persistent and challenge him to prove it to me with arguments that can prove it. I already demonstrated 12 years ago, which is an erroneous belief. Shows you why not, those who prefer to work in telogen or late anagen, we’re wrong?

#30

It’s not impossible to kill hair in late anagen or telogen, but the probability of actually achieving it a much much lower. I prefer to recommend only methods that work BEST, whether with laser or electrolysis. A lot of things will work just OK or sometimes, but why come to this forum to get educated on how to get some results some of the time instead of the BEST results all of the time?

I believe most electrologists agree that killing hair while it’s still new and weak is easier. In addition, hair cycles are not exact or perfect, so it is really hard to know when you’re waiting TOO long when it comes to “late anagen”.

#31

Hello,

Well I do notice reduction, absolutely…Not 80%, more about 40-60% I think…

But I cannot lie and still I see hairs coming back from the scabs…Can it be that it is because I have some bend follicles and she cannot get them the first time?

Ded10: you say she might be doing something wrong…But then again I do see them come out with bulb AND sheath…

#32

Lagirl, that most of the sheep follow the herd, it does not means to follow the right path.
That most of the electrologist follow a protocol that slows enough in time to the end of treatment, does not mean that with another protocol is to obtain some results sometimes.

If you can not determine the follicular stage of the cycle with a single glance by the appearance of hair on the skin surface, it means that you can not considered an EXPERT yet. Recognize the exact point at which the stage of a follicle is not difficult when one is an EXPERT.

You mention this weakness is due to the vulnerability that occurs in the follicle. Inflammation is due to previous sessions Electrolysis. Decreases the adhesion of the root in the follicular wall.

#33

Toeman, you see the hair bulb and root. That does not mean that the follicle has been properly treated. You’ll also see the bulb and root when is extracted with tweezer. Electrolysis hair treated with no differences from one who has been booted with tweezer.
The difficulty of treating the skin of the scrotum, is for professionals that if an expert is guided by transparency may fail. Because the skin acts as when a pencil in a glass of water, ie, deflects the correct angle of insertion.

#34

could you explain some more…?

I don’t fully understand what you’re saying…

By the way, tweezing only gives me the bulb, not the root sheath.

ps. there is something I have always wondered…With curved follicles it is hard to get down to the bottom with a needle…Now I have been thinking…
Is a insulated needle not perfect for this? I mean if the follicle isn’t curly but just curved then isn’t an insulated needle better to push through the hairshaft and get to the bottom of it? Because of the fact that it won’t pierce the wall so soon and this way is able to get to the bottom?

Or am I saying something stupid now…?

#35

Toeman, it is very difficult for me to speak in a language you do not know. Probably why you do not understand me.
Or myself know exactly what I am saying (google translator helps me).

What I am trying to say is that there is no difference between a hair that is obtained after being treated by Electrolysis and one that has been pulled with tweezers. The root sheath is not the aim to destroy. Basically, it’s the wall of the follicle that is anchored in the sheath.
As to the insulated needle, I do not think this is useful.
Look, an electrologist expert, knows exactly when it is inside the follicle. The follicle is elastic. with sufficient stretching, can be very spacious. The comfortable enough to produce a motion with the needle through its entirety.
For an expert it is easier to be inside the follicle. If crosses tissue surrounding the needle can not move with ease (it would have to be forced).

#36

If you pull a hair out with a juicy black bulb on the end, it’s in anagen and ready to treat. If you pull it out without a bulb at the end, it may have broken off on the way out. If it has a white bulb, it’s too late to treat it at that point.

#37

Experts do not need pull hair out to know at what stage is its root. It is curious, to me with electrolysis, most of the hairs out with a white bulb and OH!!! nobody ever knew about them. WHY IS?
Lagirl, Are you using the criteria that are used for laser only, not for Electrolysis.

#38

I’m not trying to teach you how to tell hairs apart. I was responding to Toeman’s question.

#39

ok strange…never did I see a sheath with plucking…NEVER…

Saw it the first time with electrolysis…