lidocaine injections with electrolysis in the UK?

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#21

Hi all. I’m based in Ireland and any of my clients that can’t tolerate having the upper lip done, I suggest a dental block. There are about 3 different dentists nearby which I recommend. Obviously I have contacted those dentists and explained to them what it’s for. They usually charge €20. I simply give the details to the customer and let them make the app themselves and they pay the dentist directly. I tell them to: 1. explain to the dentist what time their app with me is 2. show the dentist where they want the hairs removed from 3. tell the dentist that they only need to be numb for about 60 minutes max. Any dentist that is constantly running late, I remove
from the list. One interesting thing about this is that I have noticed that once a dentist “diversifies” and starts doing fillers, botox etc., they tend to become more “heavy handed” and I am no longer happy with the work done and I no longer recommend them.
Regarding Emla I still find, after 25 years doing electrolysis, it must be applied a minimum of 60 minutes and must be occluded for best results. I tell people to apply no product to the upper lip that morning, wash area with soap, apply half a tube of cream and put on a tegaderm dressing. It works well if people are compliant with the instructions. I have found that Anestop Gel to be much
more effective than emla but still the centre of the upper lip poses a problem for some. I specialise in micro needling also and I have just been recommended a numbing cream by a wonderful doctor in Canada who I train with for this modality. I had to get it from a compounding chemist in New Zealand and just recieved it a few days ago. Initial trials with it this week are showing total numbing after 45 minutes without occlusion. Looks like the holy grail!! Ask your electrologist in the UK to find a dentist for you. Don’t give up.

Therese Fahy DRE

#22

Sorry Therese Moylan, even your PM was all bugged out! This is very strange…

#23

Yes, and “here’s the rub.”

Sometimes “it” works perfectly … and then not at all. Sometimes I can copy and paste from MS Word, and type directly into the “box,” and then I can’t do either.

Maybe it’s the communists? Oh, I forgot, we don’t have them any more. Let’s see … hummm … where’s a good enemy when you need one?

#24

I blame the lizard people…

#25

Hello all,
There is a transgender clinic in London that offers electrolysis with Lidocaine injections for £75 ph. Easily found when you Google it. I know about it from a TG client of mine who was having her face done there. I asked what the qualifications were of the person administering the injections and she said she believes the lady is an aesthetician, not even a nurse. She was told that the law states that as long as there is a Doctor on the premises, that’s allowed. I am pretty sure that’s not the case and would not risk lido injections by a colleague with a few days training in that. But there are a few that do take the risk. My client always showed up with a lot of bruising in the area, which makes me very nervous about the whole thing.
However, what I suggest to my more sensitive clients when we need to work on lips is to book an appointment at a nearby dentist for anesthetic injection blocking the sensation on one side of the lower face. It does help reduce the pain and I can be flexible to see them shortly. I am extra careful when treating to prevent over-treatment. It does the trick for some people.
I am certain there is another type of anesthetic injections that are even better for upper lip. The insertion is made on the inner side between lip and upper jaw where they join under the nose. Unfortunately, I haven’t established a close working relationship with a Dentist around me to discuss and experiment.
With EMLA I find everyone has a perfect timing different than the others. Some of my clients are fine with just a smudge for 20 min, others find it best at 2 hours after application.
Recently I joined a LinkedIN group about topical anesthetic creams and someone shared info on a patch called Neuromed7 that claims it’s better than EMLA. They had another one that was combo of lidocaine and tetracaine, on prescription, but it’s not licenced in the UK yet, I think.
One of my clients actually managed to order a tiny tube of tetracaine from Chemist Direct - Ametop 40mg/g gel, 1.5g tube. She claims it works way better for her on her upper lip.
There are lots of options and it’s good to try some and see what works for you.

#26

Hello all,
There is a transgender clinic in London that offers electrolysis with Lidocaine injections for £75 ph. Easily found when you Google it. I know about it from a TG client of mine who was having her face done there. I asked what the qualifications were of the person administering the injections and she said she believes the lady is an aesthetician, not even a nurse. She was told that the law states that as long as there is a Doctor on the premises, that’s allowed. I am pretty sure that’s not the case and would not risk lido injections by a colleague with a few days training in that. But there are a few that do take the risk. My client always showed up with a lot of bruising in the area, which makes me very nervous about the whole thing.
However, what I suggest to my more sensitive clients when we need to work on lips is to book an appointment at a nearby dentist for anesthetic injection blocking the sensation on one side of the lower face. It does help reduce the pain and I can be flexible to see them shortly. I am extra careful when treating to prevent over-treatment. It does the trick for some people.
I am certain there is another type of anesthetic injections that are even better for upper lip. The insertion is made on the inner side between lip and upper jaw where they join under the nose. Unfortunately, I haven’t established a close working relationship with a Dentist around me to discuss and experiment.
With EMLA I find everyone has a perfect timing different than the others. Some of my clients are fine with just a smudge for 20 min, others find it best at 2 hours after application.
Recently I joined a LinkedIN group about topical anesthetic creams and someone shared info on a patch called Neuromed7 that claims it’s better than EMLA. They had another one that was combo of lidocaine and tetracaine, on prescription, but it’s not licenced in the UK yet, I think.
One of my clients actually managed to order a tiny tube of tetracaine from Chemist Direct - Ametop 40mg/g gel, 1.5g tube. She claims it works way better for her on her upper lip.
There are lots of options and it’s good to try some and see what works for you.

#27

Annoying

#28

Test

#29

I have notified Andrea about this.

#30

In the mean time, I have a joke for everybody.

Why did the chicken cross the road?

#31

I didn’t do “nothing,” I swear! Not me, not never no how … neither! (Triple negatives rule!)

#32

Yes! JOKE PLEASE~

#33

You won’t like the answer. It is political and doesnt belong on a hair website. I’ll send it to you Uncle Mike - he he!

#34

I can’t wait! he he he

#35

People often say we should never talk about sex, politics or religion.

My answer is … what else is there?

#36

Hi all. I specialise in Micro Needling as well as electrolysis. I do all my training for this with a doctor in Canada. He told me about a topical called BLT999 and I got it from a compounding pharmacy. For the first time in 25 years of doing electrolysis, treatments are finally pain free. Amazing stuff. Re: other topicals I have always found Anestop Gel to be far superior to Emla. Clients also tell me that they find Dr. Numb to be superior to Emla also.

#37

I have used a non-prescription, compounded 4% gel of lidocaine, benzocaine, tetracaine (listed in that order on the label) during professional treatment sessions (both blend and thermolysis) for the nostril and uppermost area of the lip, and have found this to be much more effective than EMLA.

As lidocaine is listed first, would this version be referred to as LBT? I am curious how this would compare to BLT.

Just FYI, a compounding pharmacy in Australia that carries BLT does provide a caveat –

http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/topical-anesthetics/

“Due to the increased risk of developing methemoglobinemia (altered haemoglobin) with benzocaine when applied to large areas we usually recommend the PLT or LT gels instead as they are considered safer.”

#38

Hummm …

LBT … Lesbian, Bi-sexual and Transgender?

BLT … Bacon, lettuce and tomato?

#39

Well, if there are numbing cremes which are superior to EMLA / Anesderm, we might want to know the recipes. Completly because the base plays an important role for the efficiency - it controls how easily and how deep the numbing agendts will penetrate into the skin.

As soon as we have that, we can find a pharmacy to check if it is within the regulations for OTC or if it needs a prescription.

#40

Beate, maybe just check with a compounding pharmacy in your area, to see what they offer in terms of combinations of the various “-caines”, both non-prescription and prescription strength.

In the US, compounding pharmacies have an understated presence. It was my professional electrologist who suggested this option, and I am very grateful for it.